A 64-year-old woman from Chicago's western suburbs is facing hate crime charges and accused of assaulting a Palestinian-American couple in a video that went viral.
I also voted for Clinton in 2016 and as a result knew that Democrats were gonna blame the left when moving to the right failed, just like they did in 2016. Democrats should either blame the Republicans they tried to court for not turning out for them, or blame themselves for idiotically expecting that courting Republicans again would work.
This isn’t 1992. Moving to the right hit a wall 8 years ago, and centrists are too fucking pigheaded to admit it.
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
They had no problem bending the knee to Republicans. Republicans didn’t turn out to vote for them and you blame progressives for that strategy failing.
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me
What complete and utter horseshit. You’ve spent the past months cheerleading everything the Democratic Party did to support your boy Netanyahu and screaming abuse at anyone who dared to suggest that they even think about slowing that support. Now that your strategy of “support genocide for the love of it” has FAILED to peel off any Republican votes, you blame progressives.
I resent being lumped in with liberals
I’m not lumping you in with liberals. I’m lumping you in with Republicans who want Democrats to keep moving right and losing.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
Democrats pandered to Republicans during this last election cycle. They lost. Republicans will never vote for Democrats. Democrats would rather pander to them than give progressives the time of day.
If Democrats don’t consider progressives a significant enough constituency to listen to, they don’t get to blame us when they lose. Democrats should blame themselves for chasing Republican votes they’re never gonna get.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them
It certainly doesn’t when no party listens.
Where is the Green Party?
I don’t care. I never supported them.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Why are you blaming progressives for Democrats’ loss when there aren’t enough of them to be worth listening to?
And stop lumping yourself in with progressives. Progressives don’t cheerlead genocide. Progressives don’t advocate moving to the right even after it loses elections.
Democrats bent over backwards to represent Republicans last election. It cost us all dearly. Why don’t you want them to stop?
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
Not sure what you are responding to. Your response is kind of vague. Voters are saying they voted on the economy and immigration among other issues. Trump was speaking to these issues while Kamala was not.
I’m not sure those voters exist. Lemmy thinks that they do but i don’t see any evidence that they’re real people.
At any rate there’s little difference between not-voting and not-existing in the grand scheme so now we get to see what happens when an unashamed fascist wins and surrounds himself with yes men.
Unless those principled non-voters are ready to arm themselves and actually agitate, they might as well not exist and we can proceed accordingly.
All you’re doing is continuing to shame voters who didn’t vote for your candidate, even after these voters told your candidate what their priorities were.
The only substantial thing Kamala ran on was that she wasn’t Trump. Outside of not being Trump she is a shell of a human being who has no real values and will always change her views based on the campaign contributions she receives. Voters saw through her fake personality.
Continuing to try and shame voters for not supporting your candidate isn’t going to accomplish anything, much in the same way Obama and Hillary trying to shame voters accomplished little as well.
The DNC can’t even beat a buffoon like Trump because they are so bought and paid for by corporate and dark money PACs.
Maybe try stop trying to blame voters and focus your energies in that direction.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said except.
Continuing to try and shame voters for not supporting your candidate isn’t going to accomplish anything
Who was MY candidate? I had to vote for the same milquetoast dem every other functional adult did. I weighed the options and made a decision. If some hypothetical non-voters think they have a better solution let’s see it, they should be ashamed. Sitting in basements screeching online doesn’t accomplish anything so let’s fucking go.
I’m just waiting for the revolution to start, that’s what we all want right?
I see you talking a lot of shit but you don’t actually have anything constructive to say. Makes it look like you’re just arguing in bad faith or worse.
I have a question for you: how is your support of Harris any different than anyone elses?
Kamala didn’t even talk about these issues for the most part. She barely discussed the few tiny things Biden actually accomplished that helped these voters.
Her political messaging was 💩 because again, she has no real values. She will comply with her donors no matter what they request of her.
In short, she does not care about her constituency.
Both Biden and Kamala are to the right of center on the political spectrum. Biden has taken more AiPAC money than any other US politician in history, and Netanyahu still bitch slapped Biden for not groveling hard enough.
This is the current political class.
Trump, as weird as he is…. Is not in the political class. He is not an establishment politician, and it’s refreshing to see someone do something independently of their “friends and colleagues” in Washington. In my personal opinion, trump is a rambling buffoon who only cares about his own ass. But I believe a lot of voters like him because he is something different, and after more than half a century of establishment politicians who are full of smiling lies and bullshit, Trump is a unique character on the us political stage. He also talks about issues these voters care about.
And leftists vastly overestimate their popularity and numbers.
Your party just lost by listening to centrists.
“Your” party didn’t even show up, why would anyone listen to them?
Edit: hey at least a couple of you learned how to vote! Maybe try doing that irl and not just on the internet!
Progressives don’t have a party that even considers representing them.
Progressives turned out to vote for the obviously less dangerous to America candidate.
Terminally online internet leftists sat at home in their basements and want feel like they’re revolutionaries.
Start a revolution champ, we’re all waiting.
Yes, we did. And we also warned that moving to the right was going to lose Harris the election. We were right.
So, you did go vote for Harris or didn’t?
I voted for Harris.
I also voted for Clinton in 2016 and as a result knew that Democrats were gonna blame the left when moving to the right failed, just like they did in 2016. Democrats should either blame the Republicans they tried to court for not turning out for them, or blame themselves for idiotically expecting that courting Republicans again would work.
This isn’t 1992. Moving to the right hit a wall 8 years ago, and centrists are too fucking pigheaded to admit it.
So I guess your original comment should’ve been “MY party lost by listening to centrists” shouldn’t it?
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Touch grass
They had no problem bending the knee to Republicans. Republicans didn’t turn out to vote for them and you blame progressives for that strategy failing.
What complete and utter horseshit. You’ve spent the past months cheerleading everything the Democratic Party did to support your boy Netanyahu and screaming abuse at anyone who dared to suggest that they even think about slowing that support. Now that your strategy of “support genocide for the love of it” has FAILED to peel off any Republican votes, you blame progressives.
I’m not lumping you in with liberals. I’m lumping you in with Republicans who want Democrats to keep moving right and losing.
Democrats pandered to Republicans during this last election cycle. They lost. Republicans will never vote for Democrats. Democrats would rather pander to them than give progressives the time of day.
If Democrats don’t consider progressives a significant enough constituency to listen to, they don’t get to blame us when they lose. Democrats should blame themselves for chasing Republican votes they’re never gonna get.
It certainly doesn’t when no party listens.
I don’t care. I never supported them.
Why are you blaming progressives for Democrats’ loss when there aren’t enough of them to be worth listening to?
And stop lumping yourself in with progressives. Progressives don’t cheerlead genocide. Progressives don’t advocate moving to the right even after it loses elections.
Democrats bent over backwards to represent Republicans last election. It cost us all dearly. Why don’t you want them to stop?
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Harris/Biden ran a dumb campaign. You cant only blame the voters for the loss. They didnt own those campaign decisions.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
Not sure what you are responding to. Your response is kind of vague. Voters are saying they voted on the economy and immigration among other issues. Trump was speaking to these issues while Kamala was not.
I’m not sure those voters exist. Lemmy thinks that they do but i don’t see any evidence that they’re real people.
At any rate there’s little difference between not-voting and not-existing in the grand scheme so now we get to see what happens when an unashamed fascist wins and surrounds himself with yes men.
Unless those principled non-voters are ready to arm themselves and actually agitate, they might as well not exist and we can proceed accordingly.
I still don’t understand your point.
All you’re doing is continuing to shame voters who didn’t vote for your candidate, even after these voters told your candidate what their priorities were.
The only substantial thing Kamala ran on was that she wasn’t Trump. Outside of not being Trump she is a shell of a human being who has no real values and will always change her views based on the campaign contributions she receives. Voters saw through her fake personality.
Continuing to try and shame voters for not supporting your candidate isn’t going to accomplish anything, much in the same way Obama and Hillary trying to shame voters accomplished little as well.
The DNC can’t even beat a buffoon like Trump because they are so bought and paid for by corporate and dark money PACs.
Maybe try stop trying to blame voters and focus your energies in that direction.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said except.
Who was MY candidate? I had to vote for the same milquetoast dem every other functional adult did. I weighed the options and made a decision. If some hypothetical non-voters think they have a better solution let’s see it, they should be ashamed. Sitting in basements screeching online doesn’t accomplish anything so let’s fucking go.
I’m just waiting for the revolution to start, that’s what we all want right?
In other words, they were lied to and bought it hook, line, and sinker.
These voters had issues and concerns.
Trump addressed them.
Kamala and the DNC shamed them and only said it would be worse under Trump.
Voters are worried about the economy. It was the number one issue, especially in swing states.
Trump had a news conference and talked about how expensive beans are.
Kamala had a news conference where she talked about how the economy was already better, while embracing Dick Cheney and 80 corporate CEOs.
Right. We are facing very complex problems that have no simple answers.
People want a simple answer, and that’s what Trump gave them. Truth is irrelevant.
The problem is that people on the left tend to actually have ethics and morals.
And you have made it clear that you prefer they have none.
What’s your actual endgame then?
I see you talking a lot of shit but you don’t actually have anything constructive to say. Makes it look like you’re just arguing in bad faith or worse.
I have a question for you: how is your support of Harris any different than anyone elses?
Kamala didn’t even talk about these issues for the most part. She barely discussed the few tiny things Biden actually accomplished that helped these voters.
Her political messaging was 💩 because again, she has no real values. She will comply with her donors no matter what they request of her.
In short, she does not care about her constituency.
Both Biden and Kamala are to the right of center on the political spectrum. Biden has taken more AiPAC money than any other US politician in history, and Netanyahu still bitch slapped Biden for not groveling hard enough.
This is the current political class.
Trump, as weird as he is…. Is not in the political class. He is not an establishment politician, and it’s refreshing to see someone do something independently of their “friends and colleagues” in Washington. In my personal opinion, trump is a rambling buffoon who only cares about his own ass. But I believe a lot of voters like him because he is something different, and after more than half a century of establishment politicians who are full of smiling lies and bullshit, Trump is a unique character on the us political stage. He also talks about issues these voters care about.