Alex Jones will now be replaced by this idiot fuckwad. Buckle up for the crazy!
Alex Jones could only dream of having this kind of power.
With how the cabinet appointments have been going, he’ll probably get a position soon enough.
I wouldn’t be shocked. Honestly, I’m only surprised none of them have been fictional people yet.
Where’s our homie Hannibal Lecter at?
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looks like Lysteria is back on the menu bois also Louis Pasteur rolling in his grave rn
It’s delicious! Give you diarrhea sometimes though.
So a win/win?
I say let him do it. Let him fuck around for a month.
Or we could not have a massive salmonella epidemic in the U.S.
It seems like your country needs to learn a hard history lesson or two. Give it a try.
It seems like hoping for millions of children and infants to die is a really ghoulish thing to do. You apparently already gave it a try.
Yes, a month will kill MILLIONS and MILLIONS of children. And I gave it a try in my backyard, yes. You’re clearly on top of things.
A month of salmonella epidemic could, indeed, kill millions of children within a month. It can also continue long after that month is over even if the person who caused the damage is out of power.
But let’s say we’re just talking about 5 children. That’s still ghoulish. I’m not sure why you’re not understanding that.
Or do you think diseases spread by raw milk are aware of who they’re infecting and what age they are and know when to back off?
Ok, let’s be realistic: only some dumbass company would try it and only some people would drink it and then a few would land in the hospital. There won’t be millions dead even in your wildest wet dreams because distribution its is controlled and people would prepare for it. Besides, people don’t usually pass on salmonellosis like airborne covid, and the mortality rate is way lower anyway.
But let’s say we’re just talking about 5 children
Why does it gotta be children, though? I didn’t think I’d see some peral clutching this early but here we are. lol Always with the damn children as if other people don’t exist. I can’t even begin to describe how hard I just rolled my eyes, I think I pulled several eye muscles reading that.
That’s still ghoulish
Not as ghoulish as all his other policies that would make actual millions suffer and thousands more die? Bet.
Or do you think diseases spread by raw milk are aware of who they’re infecting
Idk you tell me, you’re the one stuck with the Save the Children™ mentality.
(And, yes, I’m only humoring you because you think I’m serious. Good lord this site is unbearable sometimes with people like you who decide to ackshually obvious hyperbole and meaningless rhetoric. Sometimes it’s just a throwaway comment that expresses some frustration and nothing more, goddamn. lol)
Why children? Because they have nothing to do with American politics since they have no say in the matter, but you want them to be part of the collective punishment anyway.
This should be obvious to you.
Also, “I’m not as much of a ghoul as they are” is not the defense of yourself that you think it is.
And I don’t buy the “the horrible thing I just said was a joke” from you any more than I buy it when Trump makes the same claim.
In 2025, how many children will die from raw milk?
That doesn’t matter. What matters is that they get their way. We have to just sit on our hands and let them hurt enough people to make MAGAs switch allegiances. Or just let them keep killing people until there aren’t enough functional MAGAs left to make any meaningful opposition.
There is no point to argue with them. Just let them do it.
You certainly may drink raw milk if you like, but it may always come with a nasty risk. Plus it doesn’t keep as well, so if it isn’t stored perfectly, you might have a 12 dollar gallon of foul white liquid.
And so the dumbfuckery begins. Long its just recommendations he can continue to be the clown of the court
And yet the Amish are healthier than just about anyone. I’ve had the pleasure of having raw milk upon staying overnight with a friend who owned a cow, and it’s vastly different than the chalk died piss water they sell in the grocery store. And I survived!
And yet the Amish are healthier than just about anyone
Source: your ass?
@ Google it, don’t be so fucking lazy.
I guess you know you’re not going to be able to back up your claim
It’s no one’s job to prove you aren’t lying but your own.
Make the claim, provide the source. As you said, don’t be lazy
@Ioughttamow @lemmee_in Dispute claim, provide a source, or shut the fuck up.
That isn’t how it works.
@SaltySalamander @lemmee_in @Ioughttamow It is here.
Source: Medical Science.
Perfect solution. Everyone who wants milk just needs to have their own cow.
@NABDad I don’t think we’re allowed to have cows where I live at all, and horses are only permitted if you have five acres or more.
You should be a scientist!
@eran_morad I at least no how to find and read studies on nih.gov and research gate which I suspect is more than most here.
Survivor bias in action. It might be delicious, Andee you can choose to take the risk, but the science is undeniable.
One, Direct from cow raw milk has way less chances of contamination then mass produced raw milk.
Two, the Amish aren’t going to do into detail about their health issues with someone who’s only spending the night. It’s their normal and what god wants, so why would they?
@Duamerthrax
Amish people have lower rates of some health conditions than the general population, but they also have some higher rates of others:Cancer
Amish have lower cancer rates than the general population, including lower rates of skin cancer. This may be due to their lifestyle, which includes limited tobacco and alcohol use, and genes that may reduce their susceptibility to cancer. However, Amish adults have lower rates of prostate and colorectal cancer screening than non-Amish adults.Diabetes, hypertension, and hypercholesterolemia
Amish have lower rates of these conditions than non-Amish Caucasians. This may be due to their higher physical activity levels.Obesity
Amish have lower rates of obesity than the general population, with Amish children being about one-third as likely to be obese as non-Amish children.COVID-19 vaccination
Amish are under-vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to the general population.Cardiovascular disease
Amish have slightly higher rates of blood pressure and heart disease than other populations. This may be due to their diet, which is heavy on pancakes, eggs, sausage, meat, potatoes, gravy, and bread.Injury
The top three mechanisms of injury leading to mortality in the Amish are falls, pedestrian struck, and farming accidents.Amish people also tend to use complementary and alternative medicine (CAM), such as folk medicine, spiritual practice, and alternative health practitioners.
There’s a word for “alternative medicine” that works.
Medicine.
But sure, keep simping for a group that has both horrific child sexual abuse issues and horrific animal abuse issues. They’re just awesome people.
Incidentally, you didn’t bother sourcing your claims. I wonder why that is?
Cool chat gpt readout. Any sources or info actually worth reading though?
Unpasteurized milk itself isn’t the problem. It’s the consequences of trying to milk cows at an industrial scale that are. You simply can’t keep it free from contamination the entire time from the cow to the grocery store shelf.
Without pasteurization, the pathogens that make their way into the milk are going to fester. Fresh milk from a cow isn’t going to kill you, but drinking that just might.
When people carried the milk home, they used it the same day.
Sometimes a change in weather could spoil it on the way home.
@pivot_root Actually it is a problem, 1) it destroys a lot of the nutrient value, and 2) it makes it taste like chalk water instead of milk.
- it destroys a lot of the nutrient value
Nope! STUDY AFTER STUDY shows that isn’t true in any meaningful sense.
@TheRealKuni While I value studies, when they conflict with personal experience I’ll go with the latter. If you can’t trust your own senses then not much chance at navigating reality. I don’t have any stock in big pharma nor am I a fan of the deep state, apparently a lot of people here are.
Next you’re gonna tell us that the earth is flat because you’ve never experienced curvature. 🙄
Well then, you go right ahead and take RFK Jrs health advice.
Good luck.
@TachyonTele So far I have, and avoided the vax, I’ve had Covid twice, both times a moderate head cold, my son got one vax, one booster, covid three times, once with a 103 fever, heart damage. So yea I think RFK is right, also giving infants 70 shots is insane. Only thing this is benefiting is big pharma, they don’t make money off of healthy people.
Spoken like a true friend to polio
And a terrible parent.
Also, they think RFK is right about being antivax despite getting heart damage from COVID?
I’m thinking what we need to finally wake people up is a major polio outbreak.
As if it wouldn’t be explained away as either 1) a hoax or 2) a conspiracy brought on by one’s political rivals
That didn’t work on the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers during the 1918 flu pandemic.
also giving infants 70 shots is insane
Yoi’re right, letting them get infected with life-threatening diseases with as little protection as possible is much more responsible.
Only thing this is benefiting is big pharma, they don’t make money off of healthy people.
This has always been a stupid argument. Imagine two pharmaceutical companies, A and B. A develops a treatment that treats but doesn’t cure a patient. B develops a more expensive treatment, but it completely cures a patient.
Which company would you want to be a customer of? Obviously B, they can cure you. Pharmaceutical companies are financially incentivised to cure rather than treat.
Now imagine A also tries to develop a cure. The only was they can compete is by making the cure cheaper, safer or more effective.
Being the only one with a cure means you can also ask higher prices, as you’ve essentially monopolised a disease.
This is also self-evident from all the diseases that we’ve found cures for in the last few decades. Even cancer is becoming less and less of a death sentence.
RFK is right
He’s wrong.
Your son got heart damage and you think RFK Jr is right? You’re a horrible parent.
@TachyonTele Look at excess deaths that started right when the vax came out. Put it together or be stupid and die. I don’t care, just don’t want you getting others killed.
Im not going to bother with an antivaxxor moron, i wouldn’t be surprised if you think the earth is flat too.
I hope your child survives you.
Try listening to the Behind The Bastards podcast about this guy if you can spare the time.
He is messed up far more than you think.
And to be clear, it’s just a regular podcast so listen to it with any app you want. “Wherever you get your podcasts” and all of that.
Thank you.
It’s the brain parasite that lives in raw milk saying that.
Baldur’s gate 4
Chk! I will not be ghaik!
I just hope they have the raw milk distribution set up to go live nationwide at the same time. I want all the people excited for this to get it, and enjoy it for as long as possible before the news gets to them.
Unpasteurised milk drank at cow temperature ‘can’ be fine - depending on the cow, milker and drinker. It’s ludicrous to even suggest it could be safely distributed nationally in the US. He’s an absolute lunatic - and so is anyone who buys it.
At first I thought this might be fine because the idiots are doing it to themselves. Then I remembered many of the idiots also are parents.
I know. It’s, potentially, an absolute tragedy. These (adult) people are so confident / smug in avoiding the “woke virus” that they seem to have forgotten that it’s the real viruses and pathogens that take us out. In droves. Throughout history. Again and again.
At the moment farm sales are OK in all states.
Seems like obtaining raw milk in a safe environment isn’t a problem.
By “farm sales” do you mean from a small herd kept by an actual farmer who is geographically close to the purchaser; as opposed to buying from either an industrial creamery and/or factory farm?
Milk, by its very nature, has some risk involved in its consumption… but from udder to mouth it’s not exactly akin to Russian roulette / certain death as some are claiming.
2028 just got easier
You are talking as if the US is ever going to hold elections again.
Then it will be easier to start a new country. Either way trump’s America wont survive this.
If I and my friends and family could be certain of getting immunized against the inevitable H5N1 pandemic, this wouldn’t bother me so much. But RFK jr. will combat the flu with honey and whole grains and the death toll will make Covid look like a cold. Thinning the herd. Maybe we’ll get lucky and RFK jr & Trump and his true believers will get it first.
Hilariously, they’ll be culling their own herd, so to speak. You just know the MAGAts will never wear masks again, even to save their own lives.
Only if there’s things like vaccines for the rest of us, which we only got when we did due to the government.
Fair point. It’s going to be an absolute shitshow. If worm brain and felon fuckrat eviscerate the FDA, I don’t even know vaccines would continue to exist in the US.
Certainly, pharmaceuticals have a vested interest in continuing to orifice produce them. Best case, they defer to regulatory standards from other nations and the FDA becomes a rubber stamp agency. Worst case, they’re allowed to peddle dangerous products without proper trialing.
The biotech industry is already extremely nervous: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-uncertainty-biotech-startups
They don’t like this at all, with the hope being RFK just focuses on other stuff.
Or… it could make investor money fly away and collapse the US biotech industry. Great.
I’m fairly certain, they just all got together to make a list of all the stupid things they could do to own the libs.
The neat thing about this one, is that It only hurts the people that are going to follow him. The people who didn’t vote for that side know better.
Unfortunately, vaccines aren’t all 100% protective. And there are people who get the disease even though they were vaccinated. That means that the idiots who don’t get vaccinated can spread the virus to people who wouldn’t have gotten sick otherwise. Which of course doesn’t mean that vaccination is bad, only that it is not perfectly protective. For example, I have had all the Covid vaccinations up to the day I got Covid. I only knew I had Covid because my wife, who was one booster behind me, got sick with Covid so even though I felt fine, I tested and saw that I also had Covid. But the vaccine kept me from getting sick.
You would hope so, but there’s just as many ‘crunchy’ people on the left as there are in the right.
Most of those people are now all in for Trump. I’m not even sure I’d call them “left” in the way that people mean anyway, even before they became Trump supporters.
Mfw the lefty “natural” bullshit peddled by health nuts gets tacit approval from my conservative parents trying to eat “traditionally” aka raw everything.
Get ready, there’s going to be a whole lot of peeling off the warning labels.
I wonder, well they outright outlaw vaccines, or they just be privatized only…
RFK’s version of the conspiracy is that vaccines are a scam inflicted by private pharma. Given his druthers, he would probably outlaw not just vaccines, but all corporation-produced medicine.
I suspect he’s just preparing to make the pharmaceutical lobby pay their dues.
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Anarchists are not known for acknowledging the benefits of government regulation.
Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn’t used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s a hazard.
“I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn’t that bad”. Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don’t know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That’s close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
Quit it.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn’t get a chance to “get used” to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn’t had a lifetime to get used to it. They’d get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It’s not just “well if you drink it you die”. Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don’t believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he’d love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the “fear mongering” is coming from, logically.
Yes. I wish more people were like you. What you wrote is correct. It Is far more nuanced than the crowd here are saying, as you acknowledge. I hope people take onboard what you posted. The only reason so many of us are alive is because of pasteurisation, vaccines (I assume the word is related to cows), modern medicine, biocides etc. To move away from these things, en masse, would cull a huge proportion of people. There’s a reason families pumped out 10-15 kids - they hoped a few would get to adulthood.
I’ve buried children, under those circumstances, and it’s the saddest fucking thing I’ve ever done.
Also true. As I said. You can get sick from it if you aren’t used to it.
Exactly. You need to build a “tolerance” to it… as you yourself, being a dairy/beef farmer (I assume) know.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
Raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria like salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others.
Sounds yummy
And that’s why I said as long as proper hygiene is being practised. This also includes separating the milk from sick cows.
Also, to kind of prove my point: Every single farmer I know, that has cows, drinks the raw milk. Did they die or get sick? No. Does this mean that nobody will get sick? Also no.
This has to be the way to (possibly literally) die on a hill. There’s simply no downside to pasteurization. It effectively inactivates dangerous pathogens because, unless you have a cow in your back yard and can strictly adhere to your supposed “hygiene” protocols that magically negate the safe and reliable process of we’ve been using for well over a century… you know what, no. Your take is just ratfuck insane.
Pasteurisation has one hell of a downside. The taste. Raw milk tastes much better than pasteurized Milk. That’s at least my opinion.
What’s the name of the cow you get your raw milk from?
Do you get a veterinary report about her with every bottle of milk?
I can name you at least 30 of them. How do I know? Because I live on their farm.
Username checks out.
Sadly the ‘factory farm’ dairy industry probably won’t follow the proper hygiene you’re referring to, and I’d imagine that the current administration would be more interested in reducing the regulations that would force proper hygiene than increase them.
I can’t say anything about the hygienic standards for milk production in the US, but i absolutely agree with you, that under trump such laws will probably get weakened.
I know a guy who got tuberculosis from raw milk.
Don’t forget delicious parasites and their eggs.
