And a tariff on it will increase the price, because that is just how economics works.

this is not very scientific.

we could have a more robust economy where we do make everything and they make everything and nothing needs to be more expensive, if we just let it be less profitable

that’s not going to help

you are putting specific terminology in place of the words as written,and claiming it’s a clear connotation, when it is not

federated not Facebook

your attack on my style does not address the substance of my objections. it is pure sophistry.

I’ve read the paper, seen absolutely nothing wrong with it

I’ve read it too, and enough of it’s references to understand that LCAs are not transferable between studies, and so all the LCA analysis must be disregarded.

I also have looked at enough of the source LCA data to understand that much of the water and land use (and GHG emissions) attributed to animal agriculture is actually a conservation of those same resources, as they come from second-and- third uses of crops.

the only attempt I could find to debunk this paper was from, again, a disinformation outlet whose lies are explored in that AFP article

their objection had nothing to do with mine

but we DO make tofu and tvp. and they have higher profits per pound than animal feed. but we produce far too much soybean oil for the amount of byproduct people want to consume. giving it to livestock makes sense

Or is your source just a shitty, Z-tier disinformation outlet called “Farmers Against Misinformation”

your link doesn’t seem to align with anything i’ve said. are you sure you used the right link?

Is your entire purpose on Lemmy to spread anti-vegan, pro-animal agriculture disinformation?

this reads like pigeonholing. my “purpose” is to keep conversations honest and challenge bad science and reasoning.

the authors’ original findings that dairy is abysmal for the environment when compared with the alternatives

cannot be substantiated with the methodology used in this metastudy.

link to the academic paper refuting it.

seems like an appeal to authority, but i encourage you and anyone interested to look into how LCAs were abused, and how much cottonseed is weighed in the water use and land use of dairy milk, despite cotton being grown for textiles.

your BBC link actually just relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which abuses LCAs and myopically focuses on distilling other studies into discrete metrics without understanding the system holistically. in short, your claim about the environment may be true, but the source that you use to support it is incapable of providing that support.

The soy that’s fed to pigs is almost entirely the byproduct of pressing soy for soybean oil. about 85% of the soybean crop is pressed for oil. if we didn’t feed the byproduct to livestock, it would just be industrial waste.

Are you …defending deforestation of the Amazon?

no. I’m pointing out a lie about Amazon soy being fed to cows

it’s better than “threadiverse” which at once includes the name of a Facebook product and seems to also give Facebook all the credit for mastodon, Lemmy, pixelfed, peer tube be etc, while also making them appear to be second class citizens.

but I am not endorsing this “social web” thing yet, either.

almost all soy that becomes animal feed is a byproduct of pressing soybeans for oil. about 80% of all soybeans are pressed for oil and the byproduct is what is fed to animals. but cattle, as you can see in the chart I provided, hardly get any of the global soy crop

hardly any soy goes to cows at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

I’m surprised you don’t have a better understanding of exploitation

you have no idea what my understanding is. that’s not the subject of our discussion. don’t make this personal.

we are discussing the vegan society’s understanding.