• captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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    So overturn or amend? Like I’m kinda surprised he’s even taking the constitution into consideration. Like he’s weird, he doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge that once he’s done all he says he wants to do the United States of America will no longer exist. Caesar could not cross the rubicon and rule the republic, he could only control Rome. Nor could Napoleon take full control of the French Republic. Republics are finicky things like that, a dictator can only ever hold their land, not the thing itself.

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    11 hours ago

    It’s going to be hard to campaign from a New York state jail cell for the next 4 years. The DOJ may have rules about a sitting president but he was neither when he committed the crimes he has already been convicted of in NY state court.

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      He will never go to jail, he will never suffer any consequences of his past and future actions. Unfortunately it is what it is.

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        In the veiled depths of cosmic night, beyond the grasp of mortal understanding, there lurks an abomination known as D’ohl-Nald’trump, Evader of Consequence, Weaver of Lies. Ancient as the first whispers of deceit, this blasphemous entity shambles through the mortal realm in garish splendor, clad in illusions spun of its own warped grandeur. Its voice, a booming incantation laced with half-truths and hollow promises, spills forth with the power to sway the minds of even the stout-hearted, plunging them into delirium where reason itself dissolves. Those who fall under its thrall are left in a fog of bewildered amnesia, helpless to recall its transgressions, let alone question its motives.

        For D’ohl-Nald’trump wields a dreadful gift—an eldritch glamour that cloaks it in perpetual exoneration, a power so unnatural that no mortal cage may hold it, no law may bind it. Even those who glimpse its deceit find themselves ensnared in its web of forgetfulness, powerless to hold its ever-shifting form to account. And so, the Weaver of Lies drifts through aeons untouched, a nightmare that evades justice itself, as if consequence were but a faint myth of a distant, naïve cosmos.

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      I’m not convinced Vance or Johnson is any better than the orange baffoon .

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          Upside is the cult of personality is attached to Trump, and no one else has been able to pull it off him. Trump is only effective because somehow, for some insane reason, he, personally, has a lot of devoted followers.

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            The cult is attached to Trump, yes. But when he dies his followers won’t suddenly wake up from their madness and flock behind a “normal candidate”.

            They will still go for the crazy ones who act and talk the way Trump did. There may not be a second Trump, but they are lost nevertheless.

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        Yep. When a dictator dies, it doesn’t necessarily lead to democracy and prosperity because the system is broken, and the next person simply assumes the absolute power.

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          Some will, some won’t. Cults of personality don’t tend to fare well without their personality, and Vance has all the charisma of a used tissue, so it’ll come down to how skillfully he can navigate things.

          Remember, a LOT of right-wing Christians think Trump is either a prophet, an agent of God, or (in some cases) literally Christ Himself. That’s an awful hard act to follow when your prophet doesn’t get taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot, or your Messiah doesn’t rise again after 3 days.

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            I was talking about this with a friend not long ago and he floated the idea that Tucker Carlson could maybe replace Trump. He does have a fan following. The idea worried me.

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              I think some would likely float off to other charismatics like Flynn, RFK, Carlson, and various other grifters like Rogan. I can’t see the movement uniting behind another figure that I know of right now - Trump WAS the syncretic glue, and I don’t see anyone else being able to be all things to all men.

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          Will they get a choice of it all goes really really haywire? I mean their faces are gonna get eaten regardless.

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            That’s the question. Let’s say Trump makes himself dictator. Who’s going to inherit the title when Trump eventually dies from old age or from falling out of a Russian window?

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          He doesn’t have “D” next to his name and has shown no indication of rationality, so yes.

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    The 22nd amendment to the US Constitution bars Trump as a viable candidate for the Office of the President. It would require an additional amendment to be possible and there’s no way that 3/4ths of all US states will agree to that shit.

    The only potential loophole that I can discern is that there’s no clear consensus on if Trump would be allowed to run as Vice-President on someone else’s ticket. If he can, then, theoretically, he could run for VP and then have the elected President immediately resign, making him the President again.

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      He absolutely could do that. The amendment specifically says elected to the office of the President, it does not prohibit attaining the office by any other means.

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      11 hours ago

      Would Trump even hold a candle to motherfucking Obama? 3rd candancy isn’t just for Trump…

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      The 22nd amendment to the US Constitution bars Trump as a viable candidate for the Office of the President. It would require an additional amendment to be possible and there’s no way that 3/4ths of all US states will agree to that shit.

      I no longer believe the process and laws of our government will apply to this administration. We’ll see.

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      …there’s no way that 3/4ths of all US states will agree to that shit.

      We’ve had an extraordinary number of “there’s no way that…” moments in the past decade most of which have been connected to Trump, why tempt fate like that? The 2024 election map has more than the 38 red states needed to ratify a constitutional amendment.

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          A stretched the real numbers (33 states for Trump) for the sake of my joke.

          Realistically, Maga passing a constitutional amendment repealing the 22nd (I think) that limits terms for Presidents is possible, but incredibly unlikely. It’s a lengthy process on purpose full of all sorts of ways to slow it down even further or derail it entirely. He has the political will and the power right now and for the next 2 years, but I’d bet if he’s able to pull off even some of his more spectacular plans, enough people would finally get it and he’d lose at least part of Congress, if not all of it.

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      Or he’s gonna wipe his ass with the Constitution in an X live stream and declare Jan 6 “National Patriots Day”.

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      If they do it, it will be by suspending the constitution entirely. Don’t need any states for that.

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      So right at the end of the 12th amendment there’s this line.

      But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

      So as of his presidential win this election he’s ineligible to be vice president.

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        The 22a says he can’t be elected. But that doesn’t make him ineligible to serve. The wording presents a loophole that our highly partisan Supreme Court could drive a truck through.

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          With as much as this Supreme Court is riding Trump’s dick I wouldn’t put it past them to rule in his favor if this made it to them.

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          Not without Supreme Court fuckery. As it stands, he’d be eligible to serve as Speaker, but he’d be skipped in the line of succession if it were applicable.

          Of course, trusting the Supreme Court to actually follow the rules seems naive at best these days.

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          I’m pretty sure no.

          There’s a whole bunch of stuff in different parts of the constitution and us code that mention intelligibility in the line of succession. There might be a loop hole around this though I am no constitutional law expert

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    “He jokes all the time,” said Rep. Eli Crane, R-Ariz., who was in the room at the time. “I think it’s one of the problems with politics is you can’t even tell a joke without being excoriated.”

    Definitely, that’s the problem in politics. Ffs.

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      I think you should be able to DISTINGUISH it’s a joke. Also, as anyone who does politics will tell you, ANYTHING that comes out of your mouth into any form of microphone can and should be expected to be used against you, and should be expected to be believed.

      “Joking” in politics should’ve died with Reagan’s press sec laughing about gay men dying of AIDS.

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      Any time he says anything that gets significant negative pushback, it is dismissed as a joke.

      Same thing with the rest of them. It’s always a joke unless you agree with them.

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        GOSH I was just JOKING, fucking WOKE CANCEL CULTURE won’t even let me make a JOKE anymore, people are so SENSITIVE these days…

        REEEE WHY IS THERE A BROWN PERSON IN MY GAME shitshitshit tell me there’s a whitewashing mod for this, I’m having a panic attack… sees a playable female protagonist mod, instantly dies

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    Well, with having control of literally every aspect of the government they actually could change this country for the worse. However, it’s theoretically possible that some of them grow a spine.

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    I mean, we might as well just go all in. It seems like most everyone is running headlong into apocalypse anyway.

    I just don’t have the capacity for this. Ugh.

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    This guy really thinks he’s never gonna die. I’ll be surprised if he survives this upcoming term, and not even from a Minecraft related cause, just poor health.

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    He won’t need to run. He already said he will be a dictator. Dictators don’t need elections.

    This is what we get.

    Revolution is the answer. Killing the rich.