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Go to Mastadon you tards
I use(d) Twitter for niche interactive hobbies that didn’t have enough people on Mastodon to engage with.
It has to start somewhere. Blue sky started from nothing too
Maybe on Bluesky they start with one person less calling them tards.
I’m not on mastadon either so fortunately, they get to avoid me on mastodon as well
The wonders of ActivityPub allow Mastodon users to interact with Lemmy, actually. Wild stuff.
I feel you, but Mastodon has about 9 million users and BlueSky has 15 million (if the first results from a search index are to be trusted), but I could not find anywhere even close to 60% of the people in this hobby on Mastodon as I have on BlueSky.
There was a very concentrated push recently of artists (I think it was artists originally) to go to BlueSky and it’s sort of echoed into similarish hobbies. So that’s probably why the user makeup is a little different.
Would be hilarious if Musk buy that too.
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…or following people and interests you want to follow and keeping up with their updates.
ffs stop gatekeeping social media
If i ever wan tto know what Natalie Portman ate for breakfast, i’ll walk into the ocean
Everyone knows it was hot grits, and she poured them down your pants.
Just /. things.
The facebook/mastadon format is much better for individuals, no? And Reddit/Lemmy for niches, as long as they’re supplemented by a wiki or something.
And Tumblr. The way content gets spread organically, rather than with an algorithm, is actually super nice.
IMO Twitter’s original premise, of letting novel, original, but very short thoughts fly into the ether has been so thoroughly corrupted that it can’t really come back. It’s entertaining and engaging, but an awful format for actually exchanging important information, like discord.
I used Twitter for emergency updates, saved me multiple times.
Some use/used it as an RSS feed for researchers sharing papers.
Know what else is great for that? RSS feeds.
Yeah but no. It’s not an RSS feed per se. It’s researchers sharing what they publish and what other publish with ints or resumes sometimes. Then people would comment and researchers reply.
Man what evet happened to those
Never went away, they’re still used by independent websites. A potential hurdle was that Firefox dropped native support at one point
…and a lot that are not that independent. I never stopped using RSS. It’s only because it’s not so easily monetized that it’s not more widely known, I bet.
Bluesky is not as decentralized as you think… Just saying.
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It just has to be better than the Nazi bar.
That’s a very low bar.
I’ll show myfself out.
That is actually an advantage. Centralized platforms are able to achieve larger audiences, increasing the chance that I will be able to find content I actually care about.
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On Bluesky you can choose which algorithm/s you want to see though and even create your own.
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Something something bittorrent.
what?
An example of a non centralized network that has no issues with discoverability.
Only as long as the centralized authority stays aligned with you. Then you have the same problem.
Pretty much how Bluesky took off at all. It’s just the polarization of the platform style reflecting the polarization of society: Twitter/X went right-wing so the (center-)left made their own platform. It’s the same thing the right did when Twitter was politically censoring right-wing content before Musk bought it and Trump made Truth Social, the only difference being that Bluesky got the Big Tech and mainstream media blessing. Musk said he would stop that sort of censorship but just reversed it to censor left-wing content. Nobody actually wants a truly free platform, they just want their echo chamber.
Is bluesky not instanced? Cant you just run Bluesky PDS?
I signed up, out of curiosity but I don’t have any friends there that I know about. Kinda like Lemmy, but Lemmy but works great for not having friends.
People doing anything to not use mastodon…
I am always a little surprised that everyone is surprised as if people are intentionally avoiding Mastodon.
I like Mastodon but it is empty by comparison to BlueSky people want a social media app where there are people to talk to on quantities. BlueSky is also user friendly by comparison, IMO. Easier to setup.
“Well Mastodon would be busier if people would stop going anywhere else.”
No one is avoiding Mastodon I think it is odd it has never occurred to anyone that BlueSky is talked about way more. I had never heard Mastodon before Lemmy but I saw talks of BlueSky everywhere.
At least it can be bridged, and people can partially self-host. If you take a look at Mastodon and Bluesky, you’ll quickly realize the gap between Twitter-like feel between Bluesky and Mastodon, maybe a different interface that puts it more close to Twitter and mobile apps with it would help… a lot of Twitter users used it on mobile app.
Leaving the musky fields for where the sky is truly bluer.
That don’t indicate shit
FWIW there’s a way to bridge Bluesky accounts to Mastodon
Why don’t people want to use mastodon?
Are they following rasputin again?
Does Mastodon refuse to deal with its issues, like Lemmy?
Why don’t people want to use mastodon?
Because it doesn’t have a proper discover feed.
But there is a discover feed in Mastodon, isn’t it ? That’s what I use to discover new accounts. Am I missing something ? For me Mastodon is way better that twitter and I wish more people used it.
Discover feed in Mastodon sucks a lot for me, the number of posts there are very limited and not tailed to my preferences. On one hand, that makes it less addicting than twitter which is good for me, on the other hand, it doesn’t make me use it much which is also good for me but bad for them ig.
Not enough people on Mastodon are into the things I was using Twitter/use BlueSky for.
which mastadon instance to join?
Yes, I never got past that stage. It seems most instances are either nazis, crybullies or flake. I guess first step of joining mastodon is buying a domain name to run a server instance on and then join mastodon as a single user instance. But then I assume most servers also ban single user instance and I just could not be bothered to join was is probably “worse twitter” when I never participated in the twitter mental illness in the first place.
If you can’t decide, then you can just use the flagship instance, mastodon.social.
Because the concept of federation is still impenetrable to a layperson
email. email is federated. literally everyone has an email address and understands they might be on a different service, but its all email, and you just use their account name and the service part with the @ in between.
it’s not a complicated subject at all, and a good chunk of the humans on earth have no experience being alive without a federated service being a part of their daily life. (lets not mention telephones, or national postal services)
the issue isn’t perceived complexity, it’s that the negatives of using a centralized service are outweighed by the benefits. people don’t see it as a personal liberty issue, or a free speech issue, or a propaganda issue, or a billionaire oligarchs ability to control the flow of information between citizens issue. they just want it to be easy to use. and the more people that do it, the less personal responsibility they feel about the choice.
learning from history is for suckers, I guess
Heck: phones. Phones are federated. I pay for my phone service through one company, and you pay for your phone service through another, but I can still call you as long as I dial the right number.
The issue isn’t really that federation makes things hard. The issue is that it’s not how people are used to social media, and very specifically social media, working. And people are strange creatures of habit who hate change.
It’s just not implemented well from a user standpoint imo.
Mastodon does refuse to deal with its issues but i wouldnt say that about Lemmy. Lemmy just has a very small dev team working off no funding.
I’ve heard rumours that Lemmy Devs run that Tankie Shit-hole Lemmy.ml
So?
So they dont deserve a single penny, I’d rather watch this platform burn to the ground.
Eh, I’m not interested in supporting them, but the code is free and open source. I’m using a client written by not-them, to connect to a server run by not-them, and reading federated content from dozens of other servers run by not-them.
You can feel that way. but I see it as supporting the product not the people. When I think of the people behind the biggest social media companies in the world they’re awful far worse than some tankie larper online and the product is worse.
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Kbin is dead, Mbin is good but different to Lemmy. Also see PieFed and Sublinks.
The wonderful thing about federated services is that you can have fun with all the users on Lemmy and see all the content but not have to actually use the Lemmy software. You can even follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon and interact with posts from there (just in a Mastodon way).
Sublinks?
Yip, Sublinks.
I’m not sure how far along they are, I don’t think I’ve seen a sublinks instance in the wild. Their demo seems to be running the Lemmy frontend still, if I’m understanding things right. But it’s basically a community project to build lemmy but in java instead of rust and they have a lot more moderation tools. It’s what Beehaw are planning to migrate to, but I think it might not be ready yet.
Out of the loop, what happened to kbin?
I don’t think anyone really knows. It’s the single person issue, that Ernest was the only person to have access to do anything. It seems something is personally wrong for him, maybe unwell, maybe something else, but no one hears from him for months. The flagship kbin instance run by Ernest, https://kbin.social/, has had an error and hasn’t worked for months.
To my knowledge, this is the last anyone has heard from him:
I have been away from home for a long time now and do not have all accesses. I will try to restore access in the coming days. The care of the instance will also be handed over.
That was 5 months ago.
It’s clear something is very wrong, but because Ernest is the only one with access that means no one can help. Mbin forked Kbin and have been actively developing Mbin. Many, if not most of the sites called “kbin” are now running Mbin.
Anecdotally, I joined Mastodon, found it difficult to find people who I personally know that were on different instances, kind of lost interest and thought kbin might be a better solution for both forums and microblogs all in one place, then my Mastodon instance shut down, and then kbin died too. Hence me being on lemmy.world, as default and stable of a server as there is here.
Bluesky felt fun and familiar right off the bat, my only issue was that it was still so small when I joined. Now that there’s an influx of new users, many of whom I followed on the bird site, it just feels like Twitter 2, which I suspect is what most people want.
FWIW I have a highly technical job and consider myself pretty tech literate, so I don’t think any of the issues I had with Mastodon weren’t things I could’ve figured out or worked around, I just didn’t feel incentivized to bother. I suspect they’ve smoothed out a lot of the federating issues I saw before, but at this point I’m happy enough on Bluesky to stay put.
Meanwhile, I’m technologically thick as shit and have no trouble using Mastodon at all. If I know someone is on there I’ll find their profile and follow them. Done.
It ain’t that complicated.
It’s important to note that my experience is from a year ago, and I imagine a lot has changed. Part of my issue at the time was that I couldn’t see things like who people I followed were following because they were on a different server, which made discovery challenging. Also very few people who I followed on the bird site went to Mastodon.
I’m not saying the platform can’t work or that the barriers make it unusable, just that the draw wasn’t there to warrant the investment in learning a more complex platform than the alternatives.
I’ve been on there two years now, so 🤷🏽♀️
yea in the beginning it can be hard. Just start following people. And get your timeline filling. Try to check out other users posts/comments and follow them as well if you want to. That will you get started.
That was actually part of my issue, and I experienced the same problem on Bluesky at first. The difference for me was ease of discovery and the influx of people I followed on other platforms. If they had gone to Mastodon instead, I’d have been more inclined to give it more effort. As it stands, I’m content with Bluesky and don’t feel I’m missing much on Mastodon. Perhaps I’m mistaken, and that’s my loss. Just trying to add some perspective.
We need those cracked TikTok algos which keep children glued to their screens for 16 hours a day
Some children are even behind the screens for more than 26 ½ hours per day.
If there are these roadblack to you as a profficient computer toucher then I think it’s safe to say this is system is already doomed to cultural irrelevance, at best just another one of our private clubhouse nerdtoys, sad !
Hopefully this defeat in the face of bluesky shocks the dev out of their uncompromising complacency and start fighting FOR the users
It’s entirely possible that my timing was just bad for Mastodon and good for Lemmy. The fact that I could jump on Boost and have an extremely familiar experience was a big plus. Bluesky was more similar in terms of migration experience to Lemmy than Mastodon was.
The other issue is that in a forum site you follow topics, where on a microblog site you follow people. The topics are here on Lemmy (to some extent), even if the people aren’t, but I don’t really care about the individual contributors as much. The people I wanted to follow for microblogging went to Bluesky, and that matters a lot more there.
Your initial post and response here describe my position as well.
Simply put, to follow individuals, you have to be where those individuals are. On Lemmy here in looking for topics and discussion, those are much easier to decentralize.
Yeah, on reflection, I think that’s the crux of it. There were some users from a more tight knit subreddit that I got to know well, but we all moved to discord a few years back. I miss some of the more active niche subreddits, but otherwise Lemmy replaced it very easily.
There’s an add-on to help find the people you followed on Twitter on Bluesky, FYI.
Chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sky-follower-bridge/behhbpbpmailcnfbjagknjngnfdojpko?hl=en
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/sky-follower-bridge/
Excellent, thanks!
Soon Twitter will complete its transition to Nazi Bar of Social Media.
If there’s openly Nazis in your bar and they aren’t being kicked out, you’re in a Nazi bar. They completed that transition a while ago.
Bluesky is popping off lately it feels even more lively and the block tools are great.
Sigh, here we go again. I jumped on board because it’s where my friends are. Was pleasantly surprised that most of my old twitter follows are already there. Still, given the history I’m being careful and ready for the next enshittification exodus.
I wish folks would just embrace self hosting and decentralization but we obviously love to make the same mistakes again, and again, and again…
History repeats itself. Stay on Mastodon
right now I consider my fediverse and self hosted stuff as my ‘real’ profile. bluesky falls into the same category as linkedin, a necessary evil for my ‘professional’ profile.
So no, I won’t be leaving mastodon (or lemmy).
Why not self-host your Bluesky personal data server?
that is the eventual plan.
Ok I get it
Decentralization is a bit like showing people “Here’s how to make friends. I won’t actually introduce you to anyone, though.” I kind of want to at least get a starting point off a general topic.
I feel you. I really hope things turn out this time around.
Bluesky was started by the same nazi who sold twitter to elon… I will not ever be using bluesky… Threads was started by the same nazi that owns facebook so I will not ever be using threads…
Dorsey left Bluesky precisely because the other people there felt they had to implement the old-Twitter-like checks and balances that caused him to leave Twitter in the first place. As such, it’s completely out of his influence.
Yes, it’s still one monolith waiting to be gobbled up by someone with a lot of cash, or to spiral down into what would seem to be almost inevitable enshittification, but it hasn’t done either of those yet, and both the good and bad there mean it’s the closest there is to old Twitter at the moment.
Please note that I’m not saying that everyone should go jump on there and use it, or even that we have to like it. Just pointing out that Dorsey has nothing to do with it any more.
Speaking of Dorsey, he went back to endorsing Twitter for a while, but now he’s started yet another platform called Nostr. Probably the better candidate for being avoided right now.
I have no such “but actually” about Threads. Definitely worth avoiding, even if it is supposed to be able to Federate.
I thought you could federate with Bluesky, too.
Not directly. The underlying protocols are incompatible. You have to follow a bridging service which then causes your posts to be reposted on the other side by a bot pretending to be you.
Sounds a bit convoluted, if somewhat sinister - pretending to be you?? - but that’s basically how it works. And it won’t pretend to be anyone who doesn’t sign up, and will stop as soon as you unfollow, so the sinisterness, if any, is minimised.
For some reason I thought Nostr was started up by someone else and Dorsey just liked it
I got like 10 follows in three days from actual accounts. I’ve posted/replied just a few times andy avatar is Richard Simmons. I figured something was up
Impressive, since “network effects” are what keeps people on a platform. Why move off Xitter or FB when everyone’s on there, and not on the new place? Keep moving a significant fraction of a million people every week, and pretty soon, it’ll be where everyone is.
My partner, who is very non-technical, signed up for a BlueSky as well this week: “all the teacher blogs have declared that they are moving over”. Looks like everyone has had enough.
What aren’t they joining Mastodon and Lemmy? Or even Threads?
I’ll use Bluesky before I use Threads. I don’t want to get sucked further into the Zuckerborg.
Bluesky is a lot easier to use vs fediverse stuff, discovering stuff is also easier in my experience vs mastodon.
the problem is its easier to use because there is virtually no federation. Ive yet to see a user thats not from the flagship bsky.social instance
Maybe you’re already aware, but bluesky doesn’t operate with instances like in ActivityPub land.
I’ve seen many people I believe are using their own PDS, but yes, discoverability is likely better because a relay is meant to aggregate and share all data it can (look up “bluesky firehose”).
For me there weren’t enough people on Mastodon in my hobby to make it worthwhile.
Do not use threads
Mastodon or Lemmy, because you would have to choose an instance and a client. Threads, because why would you?
Choice is a good thing, though.
What’s good for freedom is bad for ease of use.
agree, but for some reason many people don’t seem to think that way
Choice is an irritating speed bump to people who don’t care to choose, which unfortunately is most of them.
It doesn’t need to be, as long as there is also a proper default for those who don’t care. Lemmy and Mastodon both unfortunately lacked this during the periods where they both had the most opportunity to grow.
Nowadays Mastodon does it pretty well. Users don’t need to know anything, they just download Mastodon from the app store and register on the instance it chooses by default.
I’ve been stupidly trying to convince them to use Mastodon on the same thread on reddit yesterday.
Some prefer the interface, but I guess the real issue is what stopping them from selling it to another Musk like they did with Twitter.
I was on Mastodon, but host or whatever you call it, didn’t like what I said and got banned.
Feel like bluesky wouldn’t have that kind of power and control by one person and be more open and popular.
I think it’s the opposite. On Mastadon you can make a new account on a better server ie mods more aligned with you. On bluesky if you make a new account and say a similar bannable thing again you’ll be banned again.
