Democrats are committed to losing and are turning towards “we gotta be more racist and transphobic”.
Seth Moulton also turning on trans people and outright declaring himself transphobic after prior tweets recognising things like Trans Day of Remembrance.
https://x.com/SLCLunk/status/1854597079773200550
“Progressive era has to end” from Elise Jordan. When was there ever one?
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Quadrupling down is a bold move, DNC. Let’s see if it pays off.
Spoiler alert, it won’t. They were already alienating their base by playing the “both sides” card.
Can we lose to Trump a third time? We shall see!
In this timeline, Dems will endorse and successfully help pass a repeal of the 22nd Amendment so they can run against Trump again (because he’s so beatable!) and still lose.
please don’t give them ideas
fuck me. lmao.
There will be no 3rd time, he didn’t even want to step down last time
They will try
To win against Trump all we need to do is get him on a stage in a debate with someone who treats it like a comedy club roast and just strip away any sense of ‘this guy is cool and I wanna have a beer with him’ used car salesman slickness. That is his only gift and saving grace. If people just dropped the suspension of disbelief for 5 seconds they’d realize he’s just full of shit. Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story. We’re dealing with a 5th grader surrounded by 5th graders. If you use actual talking points you’re a fucking nerd and people will make fun of you until you are nothing more than a joke. Get the dogs to turn on the top dog for 5 seconds and he’s shreds. The moment he has to rely on any rational explanation they’d just pile on
“Trump is in touch with the working class, he actually just pulled a double at the paprika factory” >>>> facts
Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.
Democrats would rather lose than move one Planck length to the left.
Yes. And I will never forgive them for that.
Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.
Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story
Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.
If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].
Trump literally makes fun of people and then slides his nazi shit in. You’re giving his base way way way too much credit. They don’t even know what pronouns are and they’re terrified to hear that schools are forcing their kids to learn. You just need to win those people and very obviously facts and results don’t matter. People just stand there and get knocked over. Trump finds one flaw and just starts ripping people apart
This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.
This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing
Lemme break this down for you:
Kamala pointed out that people are in fact not eating dogs and cats, and the consensus was “God damn he’s right, her voice is obnoxious”
Walz asked, if immigration is such a problem, why did they block the border bill, and the consensus was “Tampon Tim really does sound like the biggest pussy I’ve ever met. If that dude was slouching any harder he’d be asleep”
Like, you gotta convince those guys to vote for you. Clearly anything logical or based on anything in reality does not work.
But like, keep thinking that you can use nerd shit to convince a bunch of bros to not vote for the exciting one. Downvote me all to hell, doesn’t make it less true. Keep thinking virtuously, like you can’t treat them like idiots, you can’t dance their dance, and keep losing elections hard.
You get behind workers, they tear you apart over the deficit and you just stand there like “uhhh well actually that is not correct” and they go vote Trump
The only way to defeat Trump with logic is when we have a million dead people from his incompetence. Really let that sink in before responding. This is the world we live in, deal with it instead of denying it
Yeah… I don’t think you understand how politics works or how power works or who is really in power[1][2] or how the media & propaganda work. Your arguments are in the world of pure idealism. Real politics scarcely happens in the marketplace of ideas.
But like, keep thinking that you can use nerd shit to convince a bunch of bros to not vote for the exciting one.
I don’t know why you think I’m suggesting anything of the sort.
That’s the nerd shit I’m talking about. Trump supporters don’t care about that, they care about Trump having that ‘wanna have a beer with the guy’ charisma and that’s why he keeps winning elections despite not adhering to anything you posted. People can’t wrap their heads around that one simple thing and instead stick to the things that you claim supposedly win elections. Guess what. Ya don’t LOL. And you can’t see the forest for the trees. Good day, maybe you’ll learn
Also. About deplorables. I’m saying they act like 5th graders behind their backs. Guess what they call people like you and me in Discord? F=gg=ts. I didn’t say they are literal fifth graders or anything, more an analogy of how little they care about learning or knowledge or facts. So enough of that high horse bullshit. Keep taking it I guess. If you’re nice enough to them they might not spit in your face and laugh
I’m just saying, instead of trying to level with them, try the one thing that we have ever seen actually do anything: get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him. Everything else is like a squirt gun against a rain coat
It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.
Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.
get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.
That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charming, but also entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.
Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.
Obama would win against Trump so drop the ‘outnazi the nazi’ shit right now.
They’re truly just humiliating themselves over and over again.
After what we all just witnessed it is beyond me how anyone thinks this isn’t just the system working as intended. Both the Rs and Ds worship capital. That’s the only “both sides” issue that matters to them
Let them eat cake… but remember, the cake is a lie
Let them eat cake… but remember, the cake is a lie.
Friggin’ mic drop dude! This statement is amazing 👏
🖕
Fucking piece of shit.
He later served as a lobbyist for the Podesta Group.[4][11] His clients at the Podesta Group included banks, such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, Berkshire Hathaway,[12] pharmaceutical companies,[13] casinos, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, and Walmart,[14] among others.[15] In addition to lobbying work at Podesta Group, he has also lobbied on behalf of United Way Worldwide and the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities.[6]
the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity
I bet they’re allied with the American Association of Promoting Women’s Rights and Rape.
Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.
But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they’re seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who’s responsible. I really hope they don’t delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.
was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again
At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.
Wishful thinking, but possible.
As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.
The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.
Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.
Is it even satire?
That’s the best kind, when you get uncomfortable and say 'uhhhh… nevermind."
No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?
It helps their donors, who would rather the Dems lose than shift left and win.
It has helped exactly 0 times in the past, why wouldn’t it work this time?
Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.
You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.
…i held my nose and voted democrat in the face of imminent fascism, and i’ll never forgive the fascists for forcing my hand…
…that hard choice wasn’t enough, though, and i don’t blame you for that…
And this is why I’m betting Sanders is going to found a new political party, and that this is actually the death of the DNC. And all of that is a good thing.
Sanders is 83 years old. He’s already had two opportunities to start a new party, and both times he choose to sheepdog his base to the Democratic party instead. Bernie isn’t going to be our savior.
There is no home for progressives in the Democratic Party. At this point the only hope is to go independent like Sanders or join one of the third parties and abandon Democrats entirely. Democrats will never learn.
Part of the problem is Sanders is one of the rare ones and he is just too damn old.
I wonder how many good people are out there that just won’t get into politics because they’re “children of the Internet.”
I’m not saying I’m worth a shit, but my Internet footprint over my life would have me destroyed if I got into politics. I try to leave as little as I can truly public of myself, but back in the Myspace days and early Facebook I was very very ignorant.
That’s why I favor building a labor party and splintering the Democrats away from their shitty party. Their party is full of people who do not belong and would be more at home in a different party, if we had a system that wasn’t so unfavorable to third parties.
The only choice is to replace the Democrats as the only other party. Let all the right-wing Democrats join the Republicans and we build a new party with everyone who is left.
Seems… Impossibly hard to do though.
there are already sizable third parties in the US, such as PSL, DSA and the Green Party. PSL in particular is always active in unions, protests and community programs, and lately they’ve shown they trust younger members to be out there and adjusting to the demands of the members.
Even if you added them all together they’d struggle to pull more than a couple percent.
It’s an uphill struggle.
Ok, then stay home or keep voting democrat, but stop pretending you want change without doing anything to bring it about. Individualism and conformism is exactly what got the US here and both parties would be very happy if y’all stayed that way.
Politics is what happens before and after you cast the ballot. The vote itself might as well be a formality.
Get off my nuts, I want to build a labor party. I just think it’s going to be extremely fucking hard and we should recognize it. We still have to do it.
I heard an interesting idea on the Red Menace pod that tenant organizing might be the key to building a labor movement. Unlike AFL-CIA affiliates which are poisoned with labor aristocracy, almost all tenants are universally poor workers. That’s a potentially huge source of power.
I misread you, then, my sincere apologies. Seeing a lot of defeatism and it frustrates me because that didn’t help a single bit in 2016 and only made 2020 worse. I agree on your point about the AFL CIO, which is why I’m fond of PSL, they’re very principled domestically, regarding trans rights and on firmly anti-imperialist foreign policy and they’re not part of the Washington aligned labor unions. The comrades I look up to the most are engaged in unions and organizing there.
Which speaks to a much greater problem regarding Sanders: he dropped the chance to build a movement and parallel platform and instead just became a sheepdog for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. He was a useful lightning rod for the popularity of social spending policies and getting debt off the backs of the vast majority of people, but only served as a lightning rod, not turning it into organizing or strength. Just like Obama disassembled his electoral team to use party insiders and lose the 2010 midterms, Sanders gave away his donor list for a song and left his ground game operation hanging until they fucked off and did their own things.
This is why any turn to the Democratic party is a death knell and why we need the exact opposite approach to building the left. The heart of left strength is organizations, of people workinh to educate one another, recruit, and engage in action according to an independent political program that does not wane or falter just because one old guy capitulates to Democrats. There needs to be hundreds of people ready to replace any “important” figurehead or candidate or politician, they must be jettisonable as needed and beholden to members’ will, not donors’.
This is what I’m saying here, it’s time to blow up the Democratic Party. It’s already done like 2/3 of the work for us. Blow it up.
Yes, join a socialist organization and help delegitimate these (literal) losers and help put focus on the issues faced by working people!
If you are are still particularly interested in electoralism, then I recommend getting together with like-minded people to create a disciplined voting bloc who loudly announce that they will not vote for Dems unless a certain policy regime is adopted.
The sassy way for me to put this is that there will be no blowing up or realignments so long as you and others vote for these clowns! This is why they try to pander using PR and not policy concessions.
Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.
“Sanders you fool! The view from atop my ivory tower does not match the view you say the people who are not on the ivory tower have.”
Sounds like something a loser would say.
You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?
Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?
If the DNC chair had an opinion worth considering then they already would have resigned in the disgrace and shame everyone else feels for them
