• AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    This is the second time this has happened. Democrats in the 50s-60s realized they could get votes in the North by not being racist, while Republicans at the same time realized they could get votes in the South by being racist. It just really shows that neither side really cares all that much, it’s mostly a show for political gain.

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    5 days ago

    Sounds like something a loser would say.

    You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?

    Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?

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    5 days ago

    Are you sure they are committed to losing and not committed to trying to win by adopting republican tactics?

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      5 days ago

      To be fair, in South Carolina, Jesus could run as a Democrat and somehow lose to Lindsey Graham with likely voters.

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    Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.

    No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.

    No, we cannot “elect good democrats” to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.

    We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.

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        Here it is, Cowbee’s “Read Theory, Darn It!” beginner reading list. All except one work has an audiobook alternative linked, otherwise there are text links directly to said works. It starts off with foundations, then builds on said foundations, ending with some practical advice on how to conduct yourself as a Leftist in general. I also include intersectional theory regarding trans and enby liberation, gay rights and history, and decolonialism.

        Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions!

        • Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml
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          That’s awesome. Thank you. I will need that audio. I have head injury from a bike/car accident a few years ago. I can’t read any more than two pages before my memory drops everything i just read about %50 of the time. That’s how i “read” Gary Webb’s biography not long ago!

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      Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.

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    Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.

    But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they’re seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who’s responsible. I really hope they don’t delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.

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      was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again

      At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.

      Wishful thinking, but possible.

      As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.

      The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.

      Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.

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    And this is why I’m betting Sanders is going to found a new political party, and that this is actually the death of the DNC. And all of that is a good thing.

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      Sanders is 83 years old. He’s already had two opportunities to start a new party, and both times he choose to sheepdog his base to the Democratic party instead. Bernie isn’t going to be our savior.

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    No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?

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        Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.

        You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.

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          …i held my nose and voted democrat in the face of imminent fascism, and i’ll never forgive the fascists for forcing my hand…

          …that hard choice wasn’t enough, though, and i don’t blame you for that…

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    Harrison has reportedly chosen not to seek to stay on as DNC chair but his dismissal of Sanders’s statement provoked anger of its own, including from the reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald. “You and the corporatist and militarist party you lead just got your ass kicked all up and down the US, because Americans see that you only care about enriching yourselves at the corporate lobbying trough,” Greenwald wrote. “If the humiliation you just suffered doesn’t usher in some humility and self-reflection, nothing will.”

    -rarely do I read an article and genuinely think “man, that guy got slammed.” as the rhetoric typically suggests, but wholly hell did Harrison get slammed.