To all those wondering how this is legal: nowhere does it ask people to vote for Trump. The petition asks people to pledge their support for the Constitution, free speech, and the 2nd Amendment. Signing it does not indicate you are voting for Trump. But I could absolutely see the signatures being used for propaganda.
Wait is it really illegal for a billionaire to pay voters $100 from their own pocket for voters to sign a pledge? Even if the pledge was titled “so Trump wins”
Not sure if it is explicitly illegal but there would absolutely be lawsuits with good reason. Imagine a district where 51% of the people sign a pledge to vote for a candidate but the candidate only gets 47% of the vote and losses the election. The candidate with the pledged voters would scream voter fraud and their backers would likely get violent. Considering we had that happen with almost zero voter fraud in 2020, it would not be an unlikely scenario.
Lol this is what the problem with America is. Yes or no questions answered with “well, no. Nothing I said is true but if it happened someone would thro so much of a bitch fit it would be made illegal.” Fuck right off lol
Shit sign me up! If Trump wins I get 100 dollars if he loses I get 100 dollars.
can we sign up, take his money, and vote Harris?
if a million people do this it adds up fast
The petition is saying you support free speech, the second amendment, and the Constitution. You can certainly support all of those and vote for Harris.
That might make it easier for him to claim election fraud. He might try to argue about how the election results don’t match with the number of people who took his money.
Such a dumb argument but MAGA would 100% believe it and dash their lives against the US government to make it true.
Good thing it’s not a legal document and doesn’t prove any intent whatsoever.
pretty fucking close to vote buying if you ask me
Highly doubt Musk will pay, also hilarious that the reason is “to protect constitutional rights” when the person who he is endorsing has 0 integrity for that asides for freedom of his own speech…
And only the speech where he lies, or is racist, or sexist.
The term you’re looking for is bribery.
The term is actually “electioneering.” And, he’s getting close to the illegal kind.
I’ll take his money and then not vote for Trump. It’s not like he can tell.
He can, though. In another post about Cards Against Humanity’s project, they explained how criminally easy it was to create a PAC, request and acquire voters information. They can see your registered voter information and who you’ve voted for in the past.
Voting records don’t show whom you voted for. They do show party affiliation, which they can infer from.
Sorry, so they can see if you voted and party affiliation, and based on that, they are paying people more or less $, assuming affiliation to a party ment they voted for that party.
So which party are they paying the most? I’m assuming it’s only certain states
CAH are paying more to people who voted republican last election, only if they post on social media why they are voting democrat this time, and their plan to go out and vote.
I can’t find the page from a few weeks ago anymore though, apologize.lol links to a different page of Cards Against Humanity’s campaign where I can’t see the FAQ anymore.
I’d like to see that source. The voter information should be limited to their registered address and what primary or caucus they voted in - not their individual votes, which are anonymized. At most, a PAC should only be able to infer (from the voter information alone) a likelihood of which political party the voter is associated with. Now, if they take that voters info and combine it with open source intelligence, social media, advertising intelligence/marketing data, they can make much better assumptions.
At the locality level, the voter is issued a serialized ballot. The local township, city, whatever keeps a log that “voter x received ballot Y”, but that’s where the association ends. Before being tabulated (read by the optical scanning machine and dropped into a sealed chamber), an election official removes to perforated strip containing the serial number, and the voter deposits the ballot (deserialized) into the tabulator. There is no input to the tabulator to indicate which ballot, or which voter was just processed.
The registration receipts and ballots (without serial numbers) are kept by the locality under seal for a designated retention period.
Source: local election official
For some reason when I upvote posts they dissappear for me even if I search.
The website linked that CAH made was apologize.lol and they had a FAQ section saying how they and Musk are doing this with their PACs and how it should be illegal. Looks like they changed that site too, since I first saw it a few weeks ago, I can’t find that faq section anymore
Cards Against Humanity are paying people more or less depending on how they voted last election, according to the records they collected.
I believe they said they bought more useful information from a sleazy data broker too.
Honestly, I kinda hope he can tell. I’d love for there to be a paper trail of me accepting $100 from Elon and then voting for Harris. Hell, I’d put the money toward renting a highway billboard as close to the Tesla HQ as possible showing the receipts. Fuck him.
Get the money, donate to Harris
Jesus fucking Christ literally billionaires buying elections… Will they riot? Of course not because they win with this. If Mark Cuban offered the same thing for Harris there would be blood in the streets and Fox news would be calling for his head after Trumps coronation…
The real question is… why aren’t we rioting about it?
Do I get the money first?
Yo go get the money but then still vote Harris. What’s he gonna do lol?
Get the money, donate to the Harris campaign.
Jesus titty-fucking Christ. If someone like George Soros were paying people to vote for Harris, right-wingers would be losing their collective shit and flinging it at the moon.
The double standard is amazing.
The double standard is amazing.
“Yes, but I’m right.”
They think their collective belief in the correctness of their group identity is more important than law. This explains why right-wing politics doesn’t care about consequences.
Well yeah, but this a white guy doing it-- so you know…it just CAN’T be wrong!
…which, at this point, makes it completely predictable.
They don’t care about truth, or consistency. They care about power. Specifically, the power of their in-group.
Conservatism has been aptly summarized as “There must be in-groups for the law to protect but not bind, and out-groups for the law to bind but not protect.” That’s pretty much the whole thing. Conservatives are, in a kind of fundamental way, bad people. They value the in-group far too much.
I thought I remembered Michael Moore buying ramen and stuff to get students out to vote and he got in trouble for that. https://www.acslaw.org/?post_type=acsblog&p=1035
Cards Against Humanity is doing this btw.
Clarification: CAH is taking advantage of the bullshit laws that allow Elon to do this
And not pocketing the money
$100 LOL i’m not looking into this, but is it actually $100, or some bullshittery like a free year of blue checkmark on twitter
He could up that to $100k and never even notice
I really liked this line:
But it’s also possible that Musk is simply doing the rich guy thing—and the classic rich tech guy thing—of walking into a new situation and assuming all of his ideas are important.
What a chud.
I don’t know but I think that any minimally civilized country would be a crime… just saying
PS: I forgot that the US is not a civilized country and they live under a plutocracy of Capital
This shit, 1000%, should be illegal
I think this can be used as “evidence” that more people voted for trump than Harris.
For example, elon says that he paid 1000 people for this in a certain district but the vote tallies show that only 500 votes for trump in that area. It would add to the magats incorrect belief that they were cheated. Then the magats would want to start a civil war over it.
I hope I’m wrong.
This isn’t payments for votes though
I didn’t say he was. Did you mean to reply to me?
As I said before. I imagine my friends would be real helpful in signing up.
As if he’ll pay them, can’t even pay his IT bills
won’t.
Of course he can, but he won’t
Amateur hour shit. Ask the other billionaires the correct way of buying elections if any of them still want to hang out with you at Epstein’s
