TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.
YT Video (5min)
What’s an alternative to explorer?
Unfortunately, just switch to Linux is not an option.
Wow this is doesn’t affect me at all thank fully
Based on the comments here you’d think Copilot+ PC’s are actually a popular thing. Nobody here has a PC that will run Recall. Essentially nobody has a Copilot+ PC at the moment.
Side note: Recall isn’t the boogeyman it’s being made out to be.
THIS IS WHY I AM STILL ON WINDOWS 10 AND DUALBOOTING LINUX
Explorer has had so many dependencies attached to it that if even one of them sneezes, the entire desktop environment crashes and has to restart.
Actually insane when you think about it. Why the hell is a file explorer the root process of the desktop???
I’ve only ever forced stopped thunar once and it was because I was messing with some thumbnail settings. Naturally the rest of my system worked as normal, as well as the other thunar windows open lol.
I remember them doing this with Internet Explorer back in the 90s.
“We can’t remove this thing we don’t want to remove! Look! It’s hastily integrated with the OS! We can’t remove it ever!”
screw Microsoft…i hope people will consider to switch to Linux
Good thing I don’t use Tabs.
how the fuck do you even begin making recall a dependency for explorer?
Windows Debloat Tool:
https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools
I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going.
However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.
If people would like to “try Linux before you buy,” check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.
There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you’re dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve
Gamers should check put:
This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there’s any snags.
Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool.
And that’s exactly how it feels to non-programmers or not-enthusiasts jus trying to exist.
And those devs (not all but more or less most) will troubleshoot and gear it towards how they see fit with less newbie testing.DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.
For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.
I’m still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I’ve read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.
But this Recall thing is so insidious to me… I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.
I’ve been a LONG time user of Adobe, grew up with PhotoDeluxe and pre-suite Photoshop and used every version of Cretive Suite since my parents ran a graphic design business. I made all my high school essays in InDesign CS4. Suffice to say, growing bitter over proprietary software in the last few years has been painful but I’m doing my best to move to only FOSS.
There was a point in time I tried replacing Premiere with DaVinci Resolve, but I quickly noticed it was oriented for color correction, and some of its features for composition were locked behind Fusion. These days, if you can believe it, I do all my video editing in Blender. It’s still got a long way to go, but since v4 the VSE has gotten really good. I’d like to try kdenlive when I finish migrating to Linux, but on Windows it basically doesn’t support GPU encoding which is a dealbreaker for me.
Adobe Fresco is replaced quite well by Krita. It has a learning curve but is far more powerful as a result. I’m still learning but I’m impressed.
I don’t really like Scribus, but I don’t really have a need for software like InDesign, so I haven’t had to worry about it.
I’ve used Inkscape way back just because it was portable when Illustrator wasn’t. It was pretty minimal back then but I can see it’s grown greatly in depth. The workflow is enough to be disruptive, but not too badly to work through I think.
And finally the titan, Photoshop. It’s such a massive and ubiquitous software that it simply cannot be replaced by any single program. At least since I moved to drawing in Fresco I don’t use PS for that, but again Krita is a fine replacement. Pixel art in PS is very normal too, but that’s replaced quite nicely by Aseprite, it’s more capable in that space and still quite easy to use if you don’t know its features. It’s the photo editing and general purpose image editing that’s the real challenge. I keep hoping that version 3 of GIMP will magically fix its problems, but in the meantime it’s frustratingly clear that it’s built by software engineers, not artists, but it’s often made out that it’s everybody else’s burden to forget everything they know and start from scratch to learn its special workflow. There’s an interesting patch someone made called PhotoGIMP that’s supposed to improve that, but I haven’t spent enough time with it to really say. Currently my only alternative is Photopea. It works great right now, but I don’t like that it’s a web app and not FOSS. I really hope I can eventually find an alternative that I can finally be comfortable with.
I love Krita!! I put my specialty software into a virtual machine, aka the shame box. You can disable networking for it. 😈
For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing
I have always felt that GIMP was the ultimate software Camel. As in, designed by a committee to include everything and the kitchen sink without any coherent UI/UX.
It’s the software industry’s 1965 Lada masquerading as a 2024 model.
If it wasn’t for Paint.NET still missing vectorized/sprite-based text (it instantly rasterizes text the moment focus leaves it), I don’t think I could ever use GIMP.
Just want to weigh in on Resolve. I was able to get the free version running on Mint, but the free version can’t do H.264. I then bought Resolve Studio, but activating the license did not work so I ended up on Windows for video editing.
I also had to switch back to Windows for Affinity, as I have been using Photoshop for years and I have yet to find another piece of software (excluding Affinity) I can move at speed in.
Once I get the content creation off Windows, I can probably leave it behind for good.
As much as I would love this to kick MS in the backside, it won’t. The public at large has no idea what this is or why it’s bad and evil. They will buy a computer, it will come with Windows, and they’ll use it like they always have. Companies and Govts will gripe initially, but give in because their ancient VB enterprise apps only run on Windows.
So, I just bought a new laptop. It came with Windows 11. But anyways, I’m writing this comment from a freshly installed Bazzite Linux OS.
Judging by the comments in this thread this will be the one defining mistake that kills Microsoft.
Nah, Lemmy is not really representative of the wider Windows userbase. The willingness to switch away from Windows is definitely going to be far higher in those who were willing to switch away from Reddit.
It will, however, add more users to the critical mass that has previously prevented Linux from being mainstream. Already we are seeing more and more software adoption. The average Facebook/word processor user can use Linux with no issues. And the average gamer can use Linux with minimal problems as well. Hell, the dominant PC gaming handheld runs Linux, not Windows. That itself is damning.
This was not the case 10 years ago, and it is clear what path is being forged.
So… how does this exist in corporate environments where PCI DSS is necessary? Is the government also going to have to deal with fallout from this?
I wonder if there will ever be a point where legislation dictates features from an os vendor… we lost control of our hardware when they started forcing updates. I’m sure someone will hack a DLL or something to allow explorer to run but kill this component… But should we really need to hack our systems to protect ourselves from spying?
Inb4 Linux - I ran Slackware in the early 90s, and my server still runs a deb based distro… but when I want to play Forza, I’m pretty limited with my choices, etc.
From my understanding, you can prevent Recall from running just fine, you only can’t remove it.
OS level malware. I suspect it will be turned on in an update a few years down the road. And then MS will be caught, say “whoops my bad!” And pay a 100 million dollar fine after their new valuation on the stock market of 5 trillion dollars.
Microsoft: We’re going to arbitrarily require TPM and SecureBoot and say that makes Windows 11 more secure even though that’s a feature of your motherboard, not our operating system.
Also Microsoft: In Windows 11 the file explorer program depends on a program that periodically sends us screenshots of your screen.
So secure!
Security <> privacy. And this is where they slice the difference. Although, they’re not secure, either lol
Sending random screenshots somewhere is not secure at all lmao. That’s a hacker’s wet dream.
I’ve been wondering this too. Will there be a way for company policy admins to somehow remove this fully? I work in an industry that deals with very sensitive and private information - no way in hell this would ever even remotely be allowed or pass any audits. Even just existing but being disabled could be problematic.
But big companies aside, how will this impact small companies who have no real in house IT? The potential for it to be capturing and storing stuff like, as you say anything required by PCI compliance, could turn into a nightmare. We also know this will inevitably be hacked or used by spyware somehow, someday, too no matter how secure they say it may be. So now a bad actor can recall an entire day work and data capture from a worker?
Wondering the same here. I work in an extremely regulated industry as well. We have MS as a strategic partner but haven’t even deployed win 11 yet.
That said we have a deal to use co-pilot and also chatGPT. Both in a unique version that is compliant with company policies. Co-pilot integration into teams is not quite recall level but similar, think video transcripts, meeting and chat summaries, etc. I have no clue how this works practically but I assume there are some strict contracts regarding training data and data usage in place.
