I never sub, never donate, block all ads and hate twitch as much as the next guy, but…
Who cares? (Honestly asking here)
Why do people here care so much? If it is the hypocrisy that IRL streamers can get away with more sexual shit to bait horny lonely losers to donate and watch, that means that that is bad right? Why be mad about less sexuality oozing from vtubers then?
It feels like I’m missing something here, please help me out.
(Also lol @ the top comment saying this is proof of “inhumane working conditions” by Twitch, had a good laugh, thank you)
Who cares? (Honestly asking here)
I mean… I can think of at least two groups of people who care, obviously. They just aren’t you.
They’re talking about the working conditions in general, which are indeed deplorable. They’re not saying this specific act is proof of it, or even an example of it.
Reading comprehension, dude.
The exact quote is “Fuck Twitch and Amazon for their inhuman work conditions”, and I completely agree that Amazon does that. I also know that Amazon is Twitch’s parent company. But what “inhumane work conditions” are there for people streaming on or working at Twitch?
Also, c’mon, their criticism of this decision in the sentence just before it heavily implies that. Reading comprehension, dude.
Also, c’mon, their criticism of this decision in the sentence just before it heavily implies that.
That’s literally not how that works, and you even agree in the paragraph above this one. Why are you even arguing about this?
As for twitch’s working conditions, it’s a company ran by amazon, with management by amazon, so it has a lot of the same problems. From what I understand, the hours are shit, everything is a metric that’s impossible to meet, you’re constantly at risk of being laid off, a lot of the management are jackasses, and it’s very much a bunch of little fiefdoms trying to flex their position and abuse any amount of power they can.
Like, I can sum it up as simply as “Know how terrible twitch mods are? Imagine working for one.”
Not quite as bad as the conditions working in an amazon warehouse, sure, but still not something anyone should have to put up with. Regular inhuman working conditions with a focus on gaslighting and abuse, as opposed to an amazon warehouse’s egregiously inhuman working conditions which are focused more on physical abuse.
Funny how you wrote all of that to an off-hand remark about a comment I found funny, and wrote nothing about my initial questions/points. Why are YOU even arguing about this?
Just because Amazon aquired Twitch does not necessarily mean they took a whole hands-on approach, dude. Since you posted nothing proving “inhumane” working conditions at twitch (everything you said is just “imagine how bad it must be”), I’ll just take that as you conceding your point.
Have a good day!
Yeah, you enjoy your day and your strawman arguement you ‘won’ against as well.
I don’t care for vtubers but the thing that drove me off twitch was them selectively applying rules so it’s annoying to see then continue to do that and fuck over vtubes while ignoring the 1000s of sexualized streamers targeting minors.
Eh, I have no love for vtubers and I don’t even watch twitch streams, I have no patience for them, yet I kinda care because:
- Amazon is using its power to fuck part of its content creators while leaving a larger bunch completely unscathed with pointless double standards. Just shrugging at it makes them more likely to further ignore feedback.
- Amazon’s moderation is a piece of shit, akin to Youtube. Streamers that follow the rules can get banned because of loose interpretation of certain rules, while blatant disregard will remain because haha fuck you. Thus, application of the new rule will be inconsistent at best.
- Amazon doesn’t actually care about the whole “sexuality” aspect, otherwise they’d go after the many borderline porno streamers.
But most importantly, I care because it’s a giant corporation fucking the people that help it make money.
Lmao, women are literally streaming in mini bikinis but VTubers must cover their fucking hips
Fuck Twitch and Amazon for their inhuman work conditions
A while ago I got hit in the recommended streams with a random stream of some girl with absolutely gigantic milkers in only bodypaint. Probably got away with it as some sort of ‘art’ project, despite the body paint being quite bad and she was practically doing nothing on stream at all, it was just simps throwing money at her for being on screen.
Other times there’s just tightly dressed spandex girls in the ‘Just chatting’ category that are in suggestive poses and flaunting their gigantic tits and asses on screen. Also doing practically nothing but just posing and thanking donations.
Twitch really has weird ass rules when it comes to this shit.
Twitch doesn’t want to get rid of it, it’s a huge moneymaker.
They just want plausible deniability to keep advertisers, sponsors, and regulatory bodies happy enough. That’s why the rules are so weird.
I’m sure we remember not too long ago when rather than go with what the sponsors, advertisers, etc wanted and rein that shit in, they loosened the rules and Twitch essentially became a straight up porn site for two days. And it was already bad before then. It’s probably only the plausible deniability preventing them from going back to loosening the rules and raking in the camgirl money. Disappointing but absolutely not surprising that Twitch would probably make more money from that than from the ads, sponsorships and so on they get now.
It’s the same with OnlyFans. It wasn’t even meant as a porn/sexual medium, but like well over 90% is probably just that.
I just don’t hope Twitch let’s it roam wild, they just need to man up and call it what it is, it’s porn and sexual content, give them their own category and keep them there.
You had me at huge moneymaker.
One streamer had a butthole cam. Like, low angle cam pointed directly at her asshole.
That sounds terrible. What’s the link so I can block it
I hate that this system works so well to separate stupid horny men from their money, thus creating huge incentives for more and more women to game it.
Its not even good at it , like chaturbate have really cool stream ( a part of the evident porn) . twitch horny stream is so dumb
The Patriarchy strikes again!
On one hand, I think that kind of shit is lame AF, but on the other hand if someone wanted pay me $200/hr to paint my hog green and vacuum in green Luigi hat, you know I’d be down
Vacuuming is too out of character, you need to get under the sink and do some plumbing.
EDIT: Scratch that, I just remembered Luigi’s Mansion. Vacuuming is canon after all!
I’m not mad at the ladies gaming the system, I’m just mad at the system.
Do you have an only fans?
Oh man, I hate it when that happens…
…I mean… you should probably share the streamer’s Twitch handle so we can all avoid seeing those kinds of videos, since that would be terrible to be forced to see something that terrible.
Lol I knew the reference without the link haha
Vtubers can do that as well if they’re doing it in the right category. It just so happens that they almost never did in the past and kept breaking TOS. The rules are not new at all by the way, just worded more clearly because some users keep throwing fits. Twitch is a train wreck for all sorts of shortcomings and bullshittery, but this isn’t really news.
They had literally a “Hot-tub” category and every time i go to twitch i can play “Twitch-Bingo” for with “streamers” with extra sexualised clothings that has 100% of their female parts in their face cam and extra points if it covers 25% of the preview image. Of course all of them not marked as NSFW so 100% child safe
I like how dextero has scarle for the thumbnail, a vtuber who has never and likely never will stream on twitch
That ai thing too, yeesh
WTF is a vtuber?
Ain’t twitch notorious for having ehags using thrist traps against juveniles?
Shouldn’t this be done on OF and be 18 over?
Okay, here’s the full explanation for you:
VTubers are simply people using 2D or 3D avatars that move using face tracking technology.
The issue at hand is that many VTubers have skimpy outfits but many of them are classy, i.e. not overly sexual. Furthermore, the content they produce is SFW even if at times they talk or joke about NSFW topics. Most of the time VTubers just engage in chat, gaming or reaction videos. And the official with Twitch’s new rules is that changing a VTuber model requires hiring a digital artist and a model animator aka “rigger”. These are super expensive, many of those models can cost thousands of dollars to make. So when Twitch days “cover your hips or be banned”, VTubers whose models have FROM THE BEGINNING shown hips, now have to pay artists and riggers a huge amount of cash simply to cover themselves up.
To make things worse, Twitch’s rules are arbitrary and unpredictable. Who knows if tomorrow they’ll have to cover their shoulders? Cover their cleavage? Skirts below the knee? You don’t know, and every single time Twitch updates their TOS, VTubers have to spend money just to stay in the business. The least Twitch could do is state a fixed, immutable set of rules so VTubers can design their own outfits without fear of being targeted by Twitch’s sharia police. But that doesn’t happen. Twitch rules keep changing over and over, but mysteriously they never affect women wearing super tiny bikinis and showing off their sexy bodies in their pools and hot tubs section.
That’s the issue. That Twitch’s TOS are not only unpredictable, but inconsistently enforced. One could say managers don’t like VTubers and engage in these practices to virtually kick them off their platform.
TL;DR: VTubers are NOT porn. And yet, Twitch is selectively enforcing these rules against VTubers while completely allowing exactly the same - or even much more sexualized - content for IRL streamers in their bath tubs and pools section.
TL;DR: VTubers are NOT porn
Bro no need to be so insecure about it just watch your hentais and mangas and own it like a man
Arguably twitch should do some kind of Twitch+ that’s basically OF. Given how much money it brings in though, it might be easier to convince them to do a “TwitchKids” and leave “Twitch” as the OF.
As much as I’d love that idea, I would guess there are financial reasons to not allow things like that, as both advertisers and credit card companies seem to really hate erotic and erotic adjacent media.
They mostly hate them because people tend to do chargebacks when other people find out they made those purchases.
Or they do chargebacks in the wake of post nut clarity when they regret giving money to an OF.
Why would that bother them? They charge vendors for chargebacks.
Chargebacks are a huge pain in the ass and everyone involved hates doing them. The chargeback fees are supposed to be a disincentive to curb the behavior. It’s mostly automated now, but there’s a whole “accusation/response/appeal” process that businesses need to actively participate in or risk just getting money clawed back Everytime a chargeback happens, regardless of reason. This causes friction between merchants and payment processors that sometimes leads to one dropping the other. Being in a business where chargebacks happen a lot requires a commensurate amount of work. They suck. (Yes, I’ve worked in this realm. Even when it’s all automated and works well, it still sucks).
vtubers are streamers or content creators that use a puppeted avatar, instead of camera feed of their real face/body.
Some avatars are quite risque, but this rule apparently only applies to the avatars, while the real stuff is still fair game.
this rule apparently only applies to the avatars, but the real stuff is still fair game.
WTF.
I guess their biz model is in fact ehags then…
This is just false, the policy applies to both real people and avatars. It’s even in the article if you bothered to read it.
Their policies are mostly fine, it’s the lackluster and cherrypicking enforcement that is the problem.
So the model has to meet a new decency standard that’s higher than they demand of streamers who show their real bodies?
Sorry I’m just confused if they are saying the digital model needs to cover the caster’s real hips, or if the digital model needs to be wearing clothes.
As you can tell I’m pretty far from this universe :)
Yes, the model. Vtubers typically don’t show their real appearance. Sone do, but some don’t.
Classic Twitch.
Well, that’s kind of shitty. I know those models can run up to five figures, and if those rules aren’t enforced uniformly across the board for everyone then it does just seem like they’re targeting a particular class of creator.
As a side note, I find it funny that the article refers to then as “AI models” when no AI is typically involved.
Same with people believing all vtubers are AI chatbots or, to a lesser extent, that all female vtubers are just men with voice changers.
Like a minute or two of looking up either on any search engine would clear things up. But hell if it does show how little the average internet user seems to know about AI or audio editing. A lot of people seem to think technology is just straight up magic.
It might not be generative AI, but it is still primitive AI that drives the mapping of the physical streamer’s body to the animated cartoon body
Saying it’s AI even when it’s completely irrelevant makes it modern and cool though.
Could also be that who wrote the article doesn’t know much on the matter.
The technical definition of AI in academic settings is any system that can perform a task with relatively decent performance and do so on its own.
The field of AI is absolutely massive and includes super basic algorithms like Dijsktra’s Algorithm for finding the shortest path in a graph or network, even though a 100% optimal solution is NP-Complete, and does not yet have a solution that is solveable in polynomial time. Instead, AI algorithms use programmed heuristics to approximate optimal solutions, but it’s entirely possible that the path generated is in fact not optimal, which is why your GPS doesn’t always give you the guaranteed shortest path.
To help distinguish fields of research, we use extra qualifiers to narrow focus such as “classical AI” and “symbolic AI”. Even “Machine Learning” is too ambiguous, as it was originally a statistical process to finds trends in data or “statistical AI”. Ever used excel to find a line of best fit for a graph? That’s “machine learning”.
Albeit, “statistical AI” does accurately encompass all the AI systems people commonly think about like “neural AI” and “generative AI”. But without getting into more specific qualifiers, “Deep Learning” and “Transformers” are probably the best way to narrow down what most people think of when they here AI today.
Sir this is a Wendy’s.
“AI” is the new “Space-Age”.
It’s like how they slapped ‘Smart’ on every tech product in the past decade. Even devices that are dumb as fuck are called ‘Smart’ devices. Words entirely lost their meaning because of advertisers abusing trendy words.
Even ‘AI’ is being abused. I always thought of AI as artificial consciousness, an unnatural and created-by-humans self-aware and self-thinking being. Most of the AI products now are just search engines, image generators and apps being programmed to do something. In fact stuff like ChatGPT would’ve made more sense to actually be called ‘Smart’ search engines instea of ‘AI’. They might be technological achievements, but they’re not AI.
It’s like how they slapped ‘Smart’ on every tech product in the past decade.
When I was a teen, it was “e”-everything. E-mail, e-pets, e-bologna, e-games, e-surance, whatever. eBay is a relic of this era.
It’s like how they slapped ‘Smart’ on every tech product in the past decade. Even devices that are dumb as fuck are called ‘Smart’ devices.
I’m not a big fan of “Smart” as a marketing term, either, but “Automatable” doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, and “Connected” doesn’t really have the same appeal. That said, “smart” was used pretty consistently to refer to devices that could be controlled as part of a “smart home.” It wasn’t supposed to refer to a device that itself was intelligent, though.
I always thought of AI as artificial consciousness, an unnatural and created-by-humans self-aware and self-thinking being.
Sounds like you’re thinking of AGI (artificial general intelligence) or that your understanding is based off sci fi as opposed to the academic discipline/field of research, which has been around since the 1950s.
And yes, marketing is often inaccurate… but almost every instance I’ve seen where they say they’re using AI, they were.
In fact stuff like ChatGPT would’ve made more sense to actually be called ‘Smart’ search engines instea of ‘AI’.
IMO “Smart” would be more misleading than “AI,” even if “Smart” didn’t have an existing, unrelated meaning. I do think we could use better words - AI is such a broad category that it doesn’t say much to call a product “AI-powered.” Stable Diffusion and Llama use completely different types of AI, for example. But people broadly recognize the term (even if they don’t understand it properly) and the same can’t be said for terms like “LLM.”
They might be technological achievements, but they’re not AI.
You’re illustrating the AI effect - “discounting of the behavior of an artificial-intelligence program as not “real” intelligence.” AI is used in a ton of different ways that you likely don’t ever think about or even notice.
I recommend reading over at least the introduction to the Artificial Intelligence article on Wikipedia before proclaiming that something that fits cleanly into the definition of AI isn’t AI.
If you ask me, we’re still in the space age. Can’t wait for New Glenn’s maiden launch, hopefully this year
