Putting 100% of the blame on either of the sides in this one is not a terribly good idea. Sometimes a conflict has a clear historical oppressed and oppressor, but this particular one has each of the two sides doing quite a bit of foul play for over a century. The Arabs more in the earlier days, the Israelis more in the recent days.
Dealing specifically with the use of human shields, while yes they do get used, at a certain point you shouldn’t just be shooting through them just because you can. Israel is also not sufficiently meeting its obligation to help distribute the food and care for the innocent people displaced by this war. If they were to do so, perhaps they could leave the next generation with less hatred in their hearts.
shouldn’t just be shooting through them just because you can
All this really does is reward using civilian shields. Hamas can 10/7 all they want and all they have to do to avoid consequences is hide behind civilians who themselves have a non-zero chance of being volunteers.
That’s true. We should not necessarily be taking the most extreme measures to simply render the tactic fully ineffective, though. At a certain level it has to be allowed to work, because its leveraging against our humanity, which we should not be discarding too completely. Beyond even the ethical concerns, disregarding them too much creates future strategic problems by instilling more hatred in future generations.
It’s a question of where to draw the line. It’s been particularly egregious in Gaza, where unlike Lebanon, there was nowhere really safe to flee to.
Yeah, it’s very Nietzschian in that using civ shields as a basic strategy desensitizes your enemy to it and you get what we have now. People pushing the button with their feet up on the desk, eating a sandwich and watching whatever soap opera is on the TV. What’s that quote? ‘10 deaths is a tragedy, forty-thousand a statistic’? The worst part is no matter how this gets eventually resolved we’ll just be right back here within a decade afterwards because nobody learns the lesson.
Putting 100% of the blame on either of the sides in this one is not a terribly good idea. Sometimes a conflict has a clear historical oppressed and oppressor, but this particular one has each of the two sides doing quite a bit of foul play for over a century. The Arabs more in the earlier days, the Israelis more in the recent days.
Dealing specifically with the use of human shields, while yes they do get used, at a certain point you shouldn’t just be shooting through them just because you can. Israel is also not sufficiently meeting its obligation to help distribute the food and care for the innocent people displaced by this war. If they were to do so, perhaps they could leave the next generation with less hatred in their hearts.
True i apologize for my harsh tone
Maybe it’s because i grew up in a strict hanafi family
No problem, your perspectives are important as well. I just like trying to remind people not to paint with too broad a brush.
All this really does is reward using civilian shields. Hamas can 10/7 all they want and all they have to do to avoid consequences is hide behind civilians who themselves have a non-zero chance of being volunteers.
That’s true. We should not necessarily be taking the most extreme measures to simply render the tactic fully ineffective, though. At a certain level it has to be allowed to work, because its leveraging against our humanity, which we should not be discarding too completely. Beyond even the ethical concerns, disregarding them too much creates future strategic problems by instilling more hatred in future generations.
It’s a question of where to draw the line. It’s been particularly egregious in Gaza, where unlike Lebanon, there was nowhere really safe to flee to.
Yeah, it’s very Nietzschian in that using civ shields as a basic strategy desensitizes your enemy to it and you get what we have now. People pushing the button with their feet up on the desk, eating a sandwich and watching whatever soap opera is on the TV. What’s that quote? ‘10 deaths is a tragedy, forty-thousand a statistic’? The worst part is no matter how this gets eventually resolved we’ll just be right back here within a decade afterwards because nobody learns the lesson.
The lack of resolution to the conflict is not a both sides issue, no matter how much the Zionists would like you to be believe otherwise.