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    Several of the victims were children. They went off in crowds. There was no way they could control that many devices with precision when they set them off all at once like that.

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      Several of the victims were children.

      The fathers of these dead children will simply have to live with the terrible consequences of their involvement with antisemitic terror (who are we kidding, they don’t care.)

      They went off in crowds.

      In every such case only the agent was harmed. You’re proving how targeted the attack was.

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        The fathers of these dead children will simply have to live with the terrible consequences of their involvement with antisemitic terror

        So the children have to pay for their father’s crimes? This isn’t really a justification, and they don’t not care, now they have a real reason for retaliation—starting the cycle of hate all over again.

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          So the children have to pay for their father’s crimes?

          No, they don’t have to. But they will when their fathers deliberately put them in danger.

          Again, he’ll just have to live with the tragic consequences (just kidding, we know he doesn’t care.)

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            And you complain about pro Israel accounts getting banned. Literally justifying the murder of children should be banable no matter what county you’re supporting. Despicable behavior that everyone now sadly expects from rabid genocide supporters.

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              I’m not justifying the murder of anyone. I’m informing you as to with whom the moral responsibility lies: Hezbollah and its inhuman terrorist sons of bitches. It shouldn’t be a “bannable offense” to have moral clarity, but this is no place for free discussion, after all. It’s an echo chamber of hating Jews.

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                In the days following the October attacks, the media was filled with spokespeople repeatedly delivering the line, “look what they made us do”.

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                  The Hamas media? Yes, though eventually it became ridiculous for them to assert that Hamas had raped and murdered German tourists at Nova because Israel had “made” them.

                  Arabs attack Israel because they hate the “Yahud.”

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                    The beeb. Interviewees were both pro-Israeli and representatives of different Palastinian groups; what could not be distinguished between them was the playground line of blaming the other for their own behaviour.

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        The kid’s blood is still on whoever triggered the devices hands. The child didn’t do anything.

        Do you have a source stating that no bystanders were harmed? I can’t find anything making that claim.

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          Do you have a source stating that no bystanders were harmed?

          They keep citing a tweet while others keep refuting what they’re saying with articles from BBC, NPR, and other news outlets. There’s no point in arguing with someone that can’t provide reputable sources for their claims.

          *Edit: typo

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          The child didn’t do anything.

          Well, no; they handled a secure device without authorization.

          In the US the father would be guilty of a Federal crime. It’s safe to say that it’s against Hezbollah’s operational rules as well. The child is dead because the father broke the rules.

          In other cases of minors being killed in this attack, they actually were Hezbollah agents with their own issued pagers. Israel doesn’t force Hezbollah to employ child soldiers.

          Do you have a source stating that no bystanders were harmed?

          It’s your claim that they were harmed. What’s your source? Here’s an example on video of the device going off near bystanders:

          https://x.com/osint613/status/1837614316335648888?s=46

          Why would I believe it’s possible for this charge to harm anyone not carrying the pager?

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            First article I pulled up:

            https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/g-s1-23812/lebanon-israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah-international-law

            Many, but not all, of the pagers and walkie-talkies that unexpectedly blew up over two days across Lebanon and in some neighboring countries were in the possession of Hezbollah fighters, functionaries or allies. In this photo, an ambulance believed to be carrying wounded people drives down a street in a southern suburb of Beirut on September 18, 2024. The ambulance is white with a blue light on top that spans the width of the vehicle. Men stand on the sides of the street, which is lined with buildings. Middle East crisis — explained Another wave of blasts hits Lebanon, as Hezbollah reels from pager explosions

            The group is designated as a terrorist organization by several nations, including the United States, but many of its members and supporters operate in civilian areas across Lebanon — and some of the explosions left innocent bystanders, including children, injured or dead.

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              Ok, and what does this refute? I haven’t claimed there to be zero civilian casualties, but it’s currently fewer than one in one thousand.

              Again, I’ve posted video. Why would I believe that could harm anyone but the bearer?

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        That particular pager was in a bag, against a person, pointed away from anyone or anything else. Not to mention anything of the second attack, which used much larger charges and started fires and blew out windows across Lebanon.

        And anyway, a single example isn’t going to assuage anyone who has been reading reports of women and children dying from the attack.

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          They’re also ignoring the literal terror being experienced by civilians who witnessed people’s legs and faces being blown off in public.

          That’s terrorism.

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          That particular pager was in a bag, against a person, pointed away from anyone or anything else.

          Where else would you carry a pager? You have to feel it when it vibrates.

          Not to mention anything of the second attack, which used much larger charges and started fires and blew out windows across Lebanon.

          Well, I’m sorry to hear that Lebanon’s glazers just got several months of guaranteed work, I guess, but I’m otherwise not sure why this is relevant.

          And anyway, a single example isn’t going to assuage anyone who has been reading reports of women and children dying from the attack.

          What reports?

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        The mental gymnastics people will do to defend literal state sponsored terrorism.

        And don’t waste your time, I actually know what those words mean.

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          Yes, it’s pretty shocking how people have come out in support of an Iranian-funded terrorist group that has killed women, children, and a hundred Americans