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I still mess this up for lists in Python…
Don’t wanna state the obvious, but it looks like they still ended up staring at each other for the rest of the evening.
They have shown that they still love each other, so hope they can work with their one irreconcilable difference.
I love the idea that they’re at two adjacent tables, each one staring at the other wondering why they hate them.
They hate each other because they are intolerant to one another’s index choices
It’s for the best
Isn’t the guy at the zeroith table?
There is no such thing as “zeroith”. Does not matter which numbers you slap on the tables, the one with the lowest number will always be the first. The word “first” has nothing to do with indices, it’s just an antonym for “last”.
That’s a problem when you get to the fourth.
I kind of brought this up in another comment, that “first” and “1st” aren’t really the same thing. Which is confusing when you extend that to fourth/4th five/5th. I don’t generally see someone write “zeroith”, but I’ll see “0th”.
First and 1st are certainly different symbols for the same concept
The spelling for the index before the first is zeroth, no need to insert an extra vowel
And here I thought people write “1st” because they are lazy and want to press 3 keys instead of 5.
There’s no such thing as “zeroith” because it’s called “zeroth — being numbered zero in a series”
This works for building storeys, this would work equally well for tables. The only reason this is not used often is because the series are rarely zero-based in anything that doesn’t also want to equate index and offset.
You’re right that first may be read as “opposite of last”, that would add to the confusion, but that’s just natural language not being precise enough.
Edit: spelling
Edit2: also, if you extend that logic, when you’re presented with an ordinal number, you would need to first check all the options, sort them, and then apply the position you’re asked, that’s not really how people would expect ordinal number to be treated, not me, at the very least
Americans also index their building floors from 1
A two storey American building has floors 1 and 2, where elsewhere they might be ground (zero) and 1.
Not only them, and I’m not here to blame 😅
Indeed, however the Americans stand out in the anglosphere
Canada sad.
They always forget about us.
Which standard does Canada use?
Yes, and if he texted “Hey, I’m at the zeroith table” and the woman replied with the sibling comment then you know to run far and run fast.
Wouldn’t it be nice if documentation used the words index and offset consistently?
Aren’t those two the same thing? At least in C-style arrays, which might not be how they’re handled under the hood, but is at least how most languages present it to the programmer.
in my understanding offset is technically the “relative index”, or how much you have to go further
Yes they are presented in the programmer wrong. The first thing in memory should have offset 0 and index 1
The problem is that they both are contextual and can mean any position in a list/array. The starting index or starting offset is generally zero, but could be one, depending on the language used.
i wonder why people haven’t made a language that starts indexing at 2 yet. maybe some day
Dreamberd starts array indexing at -1 instead of 0 or 1.
Maybe this could be a feature in brainfuck or COBOL.
god i hope so
I love how they’re looking at each other
God yes, you can clearly see from the background scene that while at different tables they can clearly see each other. All this bickering is madness
maybe she’s a lua developer
This could be why Obiwan wound up a hermit? (Programmers of my generation at least talk about “Obiwan errors” because his name sounds like “off-by-one”.)
She is right, using 0 index for physical stuff is stupid.
Guy is wrong. Went to 0th table. She asked for 1st table.
Works for floors!
Not on this side of the pond. We typically don’t have a ground floor, that’s just the first floor.
i wish the people making buildings around here knew that. some start at floor 3, others at 5. some start at 0. others at 2. every building has its own story. you need to understand the building before you can understand your position in it.
if a building is built into a hillside in the uk and has exits on floors 2 and 5, which would be the ground floor?
it’s floor 5 from monday to wednesday, and floor 2 from thursday to sunday
My intuition would be floor 2, as it is the lowest floor to the ground that isn’t underground
Why? It seems exactly as valid to me, and more valid if you like positional numberings of your physical stuff.
You just count the number of times you departed from an item in order, rather than the times you arrived.
Blame the restaurant for having a table identified as zero
Your rulers start at 1? That sounds annoying.
I’ve seen a lot of rulers that actually don’t have a mark at 0 and instead go right to the edge as 0. Typically they are worn down, being made of wood, so the accuracy of the first inch is dubious. To ensure the distance is correct, sliding the ruler down one unit is a good idea. So, my ruler starts at 0 but my measurements start at 1.
That’s why decent rulers have a 0 and a margin:
It really depends on what you’re measuring. Good luck measuring the distance from a corner if you can’t get 0 to touch the end.
Tape measures are almost always designed with this in mind, so you can hook the end over an edge, or butt it up against something and the measurement will be accurate both ways, since the metal end can slide in or out by just the right amount.
since the metal end can slide in or out by just the right amount.
OMG! I genuinely thought all the tape measures I have handled were a little broken.
Just shave down the rulers margin!
Rulers measure cardinal quantities and not ordinal ones. There is no cardinal numbering scheme that starts at 1, all of them “start” at 0. For ordinal numbering schemes, the symbols are arbitrary anyway and you can start with whatever you want. It’s equally valid to start with 1, 0, -1, A, or “aardvark”. The only benefit to picking 1 as the start is to make it easier to count with your fingers while picking 0 lets you easily convert an ordinal quantity to a cardinal one.
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Your job is to move apples from one bin to another. You pick up the first one and set it in the other bin, and say “zero.”?
When playing games with the kids, we start at 0 being the position you are currently in, then count from there.
e.g. in snakes and ladders, if you are on spot 30 and roll a 5, tap spot 30 and say “zero”, then spot 31 is “one” etc… till you are at spot 35 saying “five”.
Teaches the kids about zero and avoids miss counts from the younger ones counting their current position as “one”
There’s another way to think about it which I actually use. Look in the empty bin and say “zero”, then move an apple and say “one”.
That is why my restaurant will number tables by UUID.
A much better idea than when I tried to organize my restaurant with hashtables.
It was too much for the waitstaff, who had to reindex the floor plan every time they added or removed a plate.
On the plus side, delivering the right food was always O(1).
In the UK it’s called a ground table.
do you also have minced tables there?
So it was a spelling mistake? They’re actually The Knights of The Ground Table!
They dance whenever they’re gable?
When you get off an airplane, do you say
“Its great to be back on solid first floor of the earth.”
?
If the walkway goes inside the building, then yes. And the walkway usually leads directly to the second floor, because the airplane door is 3 metres above the ground.
OK but what about going onto the ground?
Like, in your garden, is that the first floor of the planet?
Inside the building it’s the first floor, even if it’s exactly at the sea level altitude. Outside the building it’s the ground. Basement levels start at minus one, there is no zeroth floor.
What more can I say
No, NO! She said the FIRST table. Not table ONE. Why are women like this??? /s
It clearly says 1
