Next up, the sky is blue.
You say that but there arent campaigns to disinform people that the sky is actually red.
I wish it was more obvious to the average person as it is needed to counter the mainstream media’s false narrative that “processed plant-based protein alternatives are less healthy than meat”
Not that I doubt you, but where are you seeing them talk about it AT ALL?
I’m maybe just looking in the wrong places but beyond the occasional adverpinion piece, it’s not even brought up.
It’s a common talking point amongst those who have a murderous hatred of vegans.
Both sides suck at arguing this and all it does is make both sides insufferable. Meat eaters like to point out things like protein deficiency, and high amounts of salts and sugars in meat substitutes. Vegans like to point out the saturated fats, cancer rates, and green house emissions. Problem is you’re both right.
From the article
The studies authors are calling for “greater nuance” when it comes to discussing the healthiness of plant-based alternatives, as there is considerable disparity between categories in terms of health.
“Grouping all plant-based alternatives into a single category is an unhelpful strategy for encouraging a shift away from meat and towards more plant-rich diets as it hides a wide variety of options with differing nutrition and health profiles within the plant-based alternative category,” the authors wrote.
While the study acknowledged that plant-based meat alternatives can be a “useful stepping stone” for encouraging people to shift their diets, they stressed that the less processed alternatives – notably beans and grains – offer “the greatest number of co-benefits.”
Personally I’m going to stop eating meat but I’m fine with eating less of it or lab grown after a while (though I’m worried about what the industry would look like on a mass scale). But calling for things like moving all livestock subsidies to meat alternatives and claiming all meat substitutes are inherently healthier is just naive, reactionary, and lack nuance. Discussions between vegans and carnivores go exactly how you expect most internet debates to go.
Water - wet.
That’s what my thoughts were with this. The sheer amount of water alone to produce meat1 makes the bar very low for plant-based alternatives
1 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/06/water-footprint-food-sustainability/
wait till your hear how much water is needed for those vats for lab meat…
Do you have a source? I’d be interested in seeing how the numbers look at present. I otherwise looked into this briefly myself, and this article from ScienceFocus mentions a 2019 study by Oxford University that found more greenhouse gases are released growing lab meat than regular meat, although ScienceFocus argued that if mass produced on a similar scale to regular meat and if renewable energy was used instead, the emissions could be better than regular meat.
Another website indicates in future tense that lab-grown meat “could cut down on water usage by 90%”
Next you’re going to say that it’s good that my primary source of protein is high in fiber and fixes nitrogen in the soil. No shit. Over processed food is bad, but meat is really bad for the planet and while it may be healthy in small amounts it’s probably less than every day, much less every meal like is common in the developed world.
But you don’t get to torment animals
No shit sherlock.
What do they think our lifestock eats? Air?
The most healthy plant based meat alternatives have always been, Beans & Legumes. You’re welcome!
nooooooo we want them to buy the OTHER kind of plant based meat alternatives, the lucrative ones.
Lentils and nuts/seeds?
that profit margin is puny, we want some form of processed alternative, so we can make lots of money.
Isn’t that what these are made from?
They are partially made from soy, peas, etc. However what they do is remove parts of the protein from the bean/legume. All the good parts get removed except some protein and a few trace elements. Then you add all kinds of filler chemicals, modifiers, gelling agents that have also been super processed as well. These foods are okay for a once-in-a-while dinner but are not a healthy food. A peanut butter sandwich is way healthier, if you are using pure ground peanuts, no fillers.
Yay, ultra-processed food. I rarely buy anything premade.
I’m not vegan, but I’ve been trying to limit my groceries to have 1 meat based dinner each week. I have really enjoyed using chickpeas as my protein for lots of different things. My favorite right now is a chickpea shawarma.
And they’re easy! Like I enjoy fake meat as a treat, but as my wife can’t eat soy my primary meat replacement is black beans. Sometimes butter beans. It’s great, it’s easy, and I feel good.
That said the real best is lentils. Nothing is healthy like lentils are. They’re just difficult to cook right
I know, those lentils take me 4-5 days to cook. O_o
i fear eating them, since i had 2 days long migraines often, i think cooking them like this is really nesscessary, to get rid of toxins from the outher shell. but i am far to hungry for this method.
Just an FYI, that was a joke. Lentils cook faster than any other bean and you do not need to soak them. They are super healthy for you.
there are species of lentils you have to soak in water for days, and then cook really long, i didnt made that up.
Interesting. I usually do the French Lentils because they cook the fastest. And regular brown. Red are quick but I usually use those to thicken pasta sauce since they disintegrate but add thickness and protein.
I tried a Beyond Burger once and all I could taste was beans. I’m not a huge fan of beans, but having a bean flavor with a non-bean consistency is a no-go from my palate.
Now make them affordable. Plant based meats cost easily double the price of meat. So I don’t blame people for choosing meat.
Not where I live. They are about the same price. Depends on the brand and type of product.
Incidentally… lentil based sausages are horrible on a grill. They downright taste gross when baked. But in a rich vegetable soup? Much better than meat.
but THATS the point. profit.
Yeah, many plant based alternatives are cheaper than meat to produce, but it has become a thing that vegan alternatives are expensive so everyone raises the price to match.
I forgot the company but around 2015 there was one brand talking up about because of how cheap it was to make it would be a great thing to help with hunger levels in impoverished areas. Just really talking up how they were going to be cheaper than meat. Year later, priced up to match the rest of the brands.
its tragic and sad. but to get witchhunted by those who get exploited just because pointing that fact out, makes my blood boil.
and way more lucrative.
just don’t eat meat if you don’t want to.
you don’t need highly processeed junk food that dresses up as meat.
protein? who are you kidding? that stuff will be full of seed oils, sugar, wheat and carbs. with some plant protein sprinkled in between.
lab meat, get out of here. why should yout eat lab meat when normal meat is unhealthy in the first place?
and you think they won’t stretch that lab meat with wheat, sugar and seed oils as well? why wouldn’t they?
if you believe they want to noourish you into best health while disregarding profit, i have a bridge to sell you.
the only reason to get you to eat hoghly processed junk food that dresses up as meat is money.
they dont care about your health or the planet.
On the other hand I like how they taste and enjoy that they’ve got lower environmental impact.
I can read the nutritional info and make informed decisions.
Many substitutes have more protein for the same calories than meat.
and different proteins have differing apsorption rates ;-) eggs and fish seem best.
for some reason everyone becomes a nutritionist when veganism comes up.
I’m vegan, I eat meat substitutes, I’m easily putting on muscle and have a muscular build. Mind your own business
I never said you have a hard time doing this or that.
different protein digestion from different protein is a real thing proven by scientific methods. its called bioavalibility, its applicable to minerals, vitamins, proteins, fats, and much more.
biochemistry does not lie.
mind my own buisness, get out of here, this is a news discussion forum. ask a mod to ban me if you feel I harrassed you in some way.
sometimes it’s not about the truth of what is said but about when and how you choose to say it, the arguments you choose to have say as much about you as what you have to say
Sometimes, I realize that the reason I feel rage about an injustice is because it invalidates my weak unstable inner core, that must be protected at all cost, and is propped up by virtue signaling.
For all those replying with “well yes, we already knew this”.
Yes, but now you have the numbers to back up the conclusions you already drawn.
Of course food produced from plants will be environmentally better than those made from animals, but now, next time you see someone actually doubting that, you can rebuff them with numbers and science.
But those numbers already existed. Those conclusions weren’t drawn up out of nothing.
If 70% of the food we cultivate goes directly to our livestock, then we could only ever eat 30% of it ourselves. Meaning, for something that takes up 1/3 of our plate, we use almost 5 times as much resourses just to feed it as either of the other 2/3.
Like I’m gonna let you talk me into giving up pepperoni pizza just to stretch out my
lifespansuffering.Pork also scored red for salt, while beef and chicken scored amber. Lamb was the only meat to receive a green rating for salt.
What? Raw meat has a negligible amount of salt. How is it not all green?
Didn’t read the article but raw packaged meats are often (depending on local regulation) injected with sodium solutions.
I’d be very surprised if it was only pork that got this treatment. If anything, I’d think chicken breasts would be the most common victim.
Good point, doesn’t add up…
yeah I can’t figure it out. according to google, raw pork has 53mg of sodium per 3-oz serving, and broccoli has 49. I can’t figure out how to get exactly the salt content but it’s the sodium that’s bad for you, right?
edit - okay maybe they’re talking about bean based alternatives like soy? that’s got like 4mg, pinto beans have 1
Yeah, salt normally refers to sodium content. Salts separate in solution, so you never have actual NaCl unless you have a solid hunk of salt.
But also, sodium isn’t inherently bad for you. Just like most things we consume, too little is bad, and too much is also bad. 53mg per serving is still so far off from what a typical adult needs.
yeah but like, who eats 3 oz of pork at a time.
what do you mean salt separates in solution? you’re not saying it breaks up into sodium and chlorine?
I don’t know if you mean that 3oz sounds high or low. It certainly sounds like a normal serving size to me. I normally aim for about 7oz per meal if I’m having pork, but I’m pretty sure that’s on the high end. Even then, it’s just a little over 100mg of sodium. I’ve seen the recommended minimum daily sodium for healthy adults to range anywhere between 500mg and 2000mg depending on the source.
And yes, I do mean it breaks up into sodium and chlorine. It makes sense to talk about “salt concentration” in the context of salt dissolved in distilled water, but less so when you have so many other things in solution because there’s no straightforward way (to the best of my knowledge, but I’m also no chemist) to map from dissolved ions to the molecules they would’ve been a part of.
I mean, individual burger patties start at 8 ounces, and people regularly stack them or eat more than one burger
Damn that’s huge. In these parts, a quarter pounder is considered large. You’ll only see 8oz patties when you go to fancier restaurants.
and carnivores are prone to be salt and mineral deficient anyway.
they also gave red points because of saturated fats. fun fact: in thise studies red meat vs. diabetis, a pizza with salami gets counted as red meat.
I prefer my veggies in veggie form. Veggie meat seems like the nicotine patch of the food world to me.
Duh.
And lower birthrates lower overpopulation.
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It’s so funny that the bias of plant based news can’t be detected by a media bias fact checker.
Seriously, their bias is right in the name.
Oh God oh fuck the admins are gonna kill you for making this post
They’re gonna take down the post for “unhealthy diets” lol
Sadly no. As we humans are omnivores. We can digest non animal fats and dont need directly a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Everything’s a chemical, this is just language used to make things sound scary. The taurin that cats need that isn’t found in vegan cat food is identical to the taurin in meat.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If you’re so concerned about a cat having a supposedly harmful (the science on this disagrees with you, to be clear) choice made for itself by the human who is keeping it, why are you fine with the choices made for the animals that are kept in awful conditions and then killed for cat food with meat in it? Those animals are also kept by humans and have choices made for them that are unnatural to them, and they are most certainly being harmed.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
The science on this is pretty clear, and there are plenty of examples of cats thriving on a vegan diet for many many years. Of course, it’s important to consult a specialist and give the cat regular checkups if switching its diet like this.
Do you mind sharing your scientific source on cats thriving on vegan diets?
Maybe it was this one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10499249/
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