I’m voting no one
Same here unfortunately. Since in the state where I am from does all electronic and I can’t do a write in ballet…otherwise it would be my dog Buddy for president.
Hey, I get that writing in your dog might seem funny, but this election is way too important for that. If people don’t take voting seriously, it increases the chances of someone like Trump winning again in 2024. And with things like Project 2025 on the horizon, which aims to reshape the government in ways that could really hurt a lot of people, every vote really does count. We need to stick together and vote wisely if we want to avoid some serious consequences.
all right all right lemmys I will vote…but I want dog treats sent from all of you MF’ers that say I should not do a write in. So I can feed them to Buddy. Hell I will have to take down the sign that says Buddy for 2024
Oh, so you’re in the “I’m part of the problem” camp. What kind of mental gymnastics do you manage to pull off to rationalize this?
Are you young? Because progress is progress and you should never waste it. It may take a generation to gain an inch, but one bad year to go back a foot. I will never understand people who are willing to throw it all away because feelings.
When you shop for a place to live, do you buy/rent nothing because nothing is “perfect”? Or do you weigh the benefits and detriments of each available option and choose the best one?
There’s a clear choice, and if you need to see what voter apathy gets you, look at Venezuela. We got a second chance because the Jan 6 attempt failed. If you don’t vote, the usurper might win.
I would rather buy if i settled down or retired. I never weigh the benefits because I am always renting…well at least for the past 15 years. In my circumstance it is the best option. I currently can’t vote because I am not currently in my home state. I would vote harris but can’t vote because the rest of the year is filled with contracts for me to travel.
Absentee ballot. Always worked for me in the Navy.
And you can write in whomever? How do I get one? Not in the Navy but would just like to see my dog on the ballot lol.
Absentee ballots work just like in-person ballots. You just mail them in instead of dropping them in the box at the polling place.
What state are you in? It’s not hard to request an absentee ballot.
I find it fascinating that you have no preference between the candidates. Do you really think it won’t matter which wins?
I hoped so in 2016,but then we saw what happened after that.
I’m curious, can you share some of the reasons you’ve decided against voting?
Ima vote for some sanity, so its Kamala and Walz.
I’m on the fence between Harris or to abstain. My opinion is that the Democrats are not listening to the people, and by holding hands with the international criminals in Israel, they are alienating progressives massively (no doubt her VP pick is an attempt to win them over). 76 years of pro-Israel policy, and what has it done?
When it comes to economy, Harris is a neoliberal, and rather conservative economically, which I disagree with.
Walz is the ballz baby
They could have run the actual orange fruit and I would have voted for that over the orange cry baby.
We need more than 2 parties. fml.
Believe me, even with more parties, politicians would manage to monopolize the attention of voters by assimilating smaller parties into “coalitions”. Take for example my country Venezuela, there are supposed to be about 30 parties, but half of them were consumed by the PSUV (the ruling party) and the other half are barely creating an opposition coalition, bringing us closer to bipartisanship.
30 is way too many. Ideally, you want about 4-5 parties in order to maintain a healthy democracy without getting bogged down.
Either way, the two party duopoly of the US ain’t it.
Only way to get to more than 2 parties is to vote for the one party that doesn’t want a dictatorship, sadly.
Not voting, because not my candidate.
(for context i dont live in US)
(for context i dont live in US)
The only valid reason to disengage from US politics lol
It being a phony charade is another important one.
… so its treason then? Worst American ever… /s
I’m voting PSL because my vote has no impact on the election anyways
It’s like walking around with a tattoo on your forehead that says “I’M A FUCKING IDIOT”
Why do people say that? I just picked a server to join because I thought it didn’t matter. Are servers really that cliquey?
Yes, they are really cliquey & tbh it’s kinda sad. So much for tryna foster community or engage with other communities to learn something new.
Very
lemmy.ml in particular is quite bad. lemmy.world is a little less bad but still has some annoyances. Most of the other ones are fine.
Of course you can participate in communities anywhere from any server; about the only thing that will impact you is reputational impacts and maybe the occasional instance block or admin fuckery. I have heard rumors of admin fuckery on lemmy.ml (moderation actions and then editing the modlog to make it look like it didn’t happen), but IDK whether that is accurate.
It’s mostly people who are used to leftists getting banned off their corporate-owned media sites being shocked at an alternative opinion
Well none of the people here are from corporate -owned sites since we’re all on Lemmy. Your world view aligns perfectly with authoritarian-right. That’s why you get so much pushback.
Your world view aligns perfectly with authoritarian-right
lmao your powers of perception need work
Seems pretty spot on. What’s your view on Putin?
I’m really not a fan and it’s embarrassing every time Russia does some cringe culture war shit. America won the cold war so it’s what we’re stuck with, sadly
I feel the same way reading a lot of lemmy.world users content
Eventually they will grow up and learn, if they ever get tired of being angry and irrelevant.
I’ve been getting told I’m going to grow out of being a communist for over 2 decades now. Any day now I guess
I mean people also say you’ll grow up from being a liberal so lol. I presume it has a lot to do with why you have a particular political position and if you’ve actually thought it out at all.
Communism will never come to the USA. You should probably have realized that by now.
I mean yeah it’s practically the 4th Reich over here
You don’t have to stop, but you’re also politically irrelevant. I’d get tired of that myself. I did. That’s why I stopped throwing my vote away on third party. But you do you. I really don’t care since you’re a non-participant.
I’m already politically irrelevant, how is changing my vote going to make it suddenly matter in a non-swing state
Look, where you can actually achieve things is in the Democratic primaries. Find the furthest left person you can and try to make them the candidate. Move the party left. Get your brand of politician onto the ballot on one of the teams that can win. Replicate that across the country and I guess the Democrats become communists, though I can’t imagine things flipping that far. You still have to deal with swing states that will be much harder to get communist candidates elected even in a major party.
That’s the only realistic way to accomplish your goal without either waiting for one party to commit suicide or futilely taking up arms to try to replace the whole system of government.
That’s not even my political persuasion, but look I’ll be long dead before that ever happens so more power to you. We’ve swung way too far right and I’ll work with anyone to swing it back the other way.
I have plenty of critiques of PSL running primarily national election campaigns, the whole national level election just seems like a resource sink. I guess if they get to a certain percent they get federal money for it.
The problem is a lot of local politics are already very much on lockdown by realtor/home construction/lawyer types. They will often get unquestionably voted in by homeowners, simply by evoking the fear of housing prices going down, or taxes going up. Homeowners are often vastly over-represented in terms of voter participation, due to structural disenfranchisement of poor people.
Most people who you could organize in a given municipality who aren’t homeowners will be under constant economic pressure to follow work or new housing, leading to a lot of churn - and often leading to people just getting unenrolled because they didn’t update their address when they changed landlords.
(Honestly this is why I prefer to just work on non-election stuff with my time)
oh no I’m using instance that makes nerds seethe whatever will I do
I read somewhere that Biden beat Trump by 40K votes. In a country of over 300 MILLION people that’s a razor thin margin.
Your vote counts!
I also read this sobering fact recently: People in Germany that didn’t think they had to vote in 1932, didn’t get another chance to vote until 1946.
I am 100% voting for Kamala in a deep blue state. But, I wanted to point out that it’s not the popular vote that matters, unfortunately, thanks to the electoral college.
There’s no popular vote, my state is solidly blue, why on earth shouldn’t I vote for people I agree with?
I know you’ve been getting downvotes but just wanted to say thank you for voting PSL!
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Lol all the neckbeards downvoting you as if that has any effect on you to change your mind.
You think people use downvoting to change a person’s mind? I always felt it was mostly to express disapproval or disagreement.
In this case, I think it’s shallow/selfish thinking that leads people to not vote or throw their vote away with a third party vote just so they can smugly say "don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Harris/Trump 😏" like it’s the most clever thing ever.
As a POC, I can’t help but shake at folks like this because it’s like they’d rather play these little games when shit gets real rather than ya know, getting real.
I think it’s shallow/selfish thinking that leads people to not vote or throw their vote away with a third party vote just so they can smugly say "don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Harris/Trump 😏
You’re welcome to think that, How can I throw a vote away that has literally no impact on the presidential election? I’m not in a swing state and I still vote downballot- what’s even more annoying is it’s so non-competitive many of the state level democrats are just low-key republicans running as democrats. The result is yet another non-choice of an election.
Or they just try to send a message to onlookers. Voting for non-right-wing presidents isn’t acceptable here.
I only downvote when something is too stupid and pointless to comment on. I don’t do it very often, but here we are.
excuse me for participating in our electoral system
Thought Lemmy was worldwide, don’t like either red or blue. Can’t vote anyways.
Both red and blue are right wing compared to the rest of the western world.
None of them are good, but one is plain evil, and is not even hiding it anymore.
I didn’t really care who she picked to begin with. There are other people who would excite me more, but nothing excites me like the idea of beating Trump and then sending him to prison.
Honest question - what’s the mechanism to do that?
Well, first we beat him at the polls, then we finish all the prosecutions. If we don’t beat him, the prosecutions are going to be moot. The court cases will be dropped.
I understand that, what’s he done specifically that carries a prison sentence? I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m unaware of a case waiting on a trigger that doesn’t end up in just a fine.
Just saying “she’ll find a reason to lock him up” is a terrible take. That’s what MAGA wants to do to their political opponents. It’s also what people mean when we say ACAB.
There’s the Georgia election interference case - I don’t know what the potential penalties there are, but they can only delay that one until after the election. And Jan 6. There is the fraud sentencing in NY which, you are correct will likely not result in prison time since he’s a first time offender (lol).
There are two or three pending cases about fake electors where he is an unindicted co-conspirator which could potentially be amended to include him. Apparently now a potential bribery case if that hasn’t already been completely scuttled.
I mean shit the guy has done a fuck ton of crime. He’s already a felon, which means the kid gloves can come off for future sentencing.
I don’t think any of the cases are a slam dunk victory and then prison, but there are an awful lot of options.
Uh, stolen top secret documents and stored them by the shitter at mar-a-fucko?
I will be voting Green regardless. As far as I’m concerned Harris was the 2nd or 3rd most conservative candidate in the 2020 Democrat primaries out of ±14 candidates. She was only in front of Bloomberg and maybe Biden on the spectrum. Her replacing Biden was always a very real possibility for anyone that actually understands U.S. government & politics as well as the whole ‘aging-process.’
-I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.
I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.
What about people who don’t have that luxury, who may literally not make it to the end of a second Trump administration with their life undestroyed by it? Hispanic immigrants are the most obvious candidates, although honestly it could expand to encompass quite a few people.
Why are you not worried about Trump ending the democratic machinery that you might use to vote in a Green candidate in the future? Trump seems like just as big a disaster for third-party democracy as he does for two-party democracy.
Do you agree with Stein about disbanding NATO? Is that one of those things you would rather vote for and lose than etc etc? I actually think most of her platform looks excellent if it could be pulled off, but that one is a little bit of a random red flag in the mixture.
If the only real choice is between a “fascist” that will end Democracy and somebody who doesn’t represent me, then you can’t really argue that we live in a Democracy and then there is nothing to defend.
If it’s your fellow people you are concerned about protecting, then I’d advise you to check your candidate’s policy because the Green’s Policy has a way stronger humanitarian bend to it. -In fact, I’d also like to direct you to the Democrats recently proposed Immigration bill if you’re worried about protecting the Hispanic and immigrant population
I’m Indifferent to Nato considering it’s such a huge financial sacrifice the people of our country are making to perpetuate a military industrial machine that kills hundreds of thousands while also disproportionately protecting countries that are not our own. perhaps those countries should take the mantle and pay to support themselves as the ‘World Police.’ If we cut our military budget by 50% we still have the second largest military in the world. -We still don’t have a publicly funded Healthcare option and I’m suppose to care about sustaining NATO? No, that’s not a high priority to me.
Interesting
How about Navalny? Also what’s your take on the Venezuelan election?
I’m not asking that implying that the answer will be any particular type of way, just curious what you think about those issues.
Outlook not so good for Navalny long-term, regardless. Perhaps Germany, UK, France should spend more of their own budget to wind up military production to help their own neighbor. We need to stay The f*** out of Central & South American Politics full-stop.
You can’t lose a vote you aren’t even in the running for. That’s like writing in Charlie Brown and then saying you lost the vote. You didn’t; you just didn’t cast a meaningful vote for President. You’re changing nothing. You’re not moving the Overton window even a hair to the left. You’re just sitting on the sidelines.
But you know if you give zero shits about the presidency and just want to vote in local races, that’s fair, I suppose.
Voting isn’t only about winning. It’s also about making your voice heard. In hard Blue or Red states an individual vote won’t likely make a difference. If a 3rd party got enough of the vote Republicans and Democrats would be scrambling over each other to make their party platform more palatable to that 3rd party.
More power to them, beats not voting.
Cry more.
What on earth would lead you to believe I’m crying? You’re irrelevant by your own account. I’ll worry way more about people who actually give a damn.
I was cautiously optimistic about Harris before, now I’m regular optimistic. Walz seems like a good dude who will appeal to working class voters, having been a schoolteacher and a union member, and able to be folksy with a genuine-ness that DJT and JD couchfucker couldn’t muster in a dozen lifetimes.
Not from the US, but if I was I’d 100% be voting for Harris.
There’s very few Americans who hadn’t had their mind made up already, maybe a couple percent. Of those couple percent, maybe a percent have an opinion on Tim Walz. And most of them are from Minnisota.
The polls seem to disagree with you, at least before Harris’ pick of Walz was announced. She’s peeled off a solid 5-6% from Trump in some states, turning him from a +4 favorite to a -1 tossup in some Georgia polls, for example, or turning a Trump +3 favorite in Pennsylvania into a Harris +3 favorite between Biden’s decision to suspend his campaign and late last week.
I’m not expecting to see Walz’s announcement making any big waves right away, but it gives them a chance to extend the excitement cycle for a while.
I didn’t even vote for Harris a first time, so I’m sure this person, even despite people complaining she can’t read the room, doesn’t need my help becoming president.
Aside from voting for third parties, who do need my help, I’m so done with even the concept of voting.
Then please don’t complain about the government you get.
How do you do fellow voters?
Aside from political matters, rather good.
I’m so done with even the concept of voting.
Kewl kewl. Feel free to move to North Korea or China. You’ll never get a say in anything again!
…as opposed to?
The fascists want to convince you that your vote doesn’t matter. Defy the fascists and vote. Besides, the state and local races make more of a difference anyway, so at least show up for those.
I definitely do those. Not sure how much of an impact that has, but when you have such deception as which takes place on the next level, like with the various media scandals on both sides, it’s a negative omen. In my mind at least, it’s like all those people who lied about their life situation to gain community contributions, times ten. But some people divide it for some reason.
If I’m not mistaken, it was Obama/Clinton/Sanders in 2016 who infamously dissed the concept of third party voting (are they any of the fascists we speak of?)
I definitely do those. Not sure how much of an impact that has
Well it’s pretty clear when one day your library has enough funding for after school activities with the kids.
So how’s Russia these days? They paying you well?
I would have voted for Joe’s coffin before the felon. This changes nothing for me.
