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…whatever. What’s done is done.
What’s the best option going forward, and how do the common rabble like myself best support the newest not-Trump?
Dems now have a non-zero chance of winning 2024.
Holy shit.
Well, the Trump team has been panicking in anticipation of this happening. They have already started launching law suits trying to stop it. The biggest scare they had was Biden’s age and that may have just vaporised?
If he was gonna do this, why not announce it a year ago? Idiotic lack of political savvy. RBG levels of idiocy clinging to your post and ignoring the greater good.
I love the chaos. Everyone can now have a candidate they didn’t really ever vote for, and it’ll be appalling if THIS is the way we finally get the first woman president.
Let’s fucking go! Harris 2024!
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
My money is still on Harris to be the final candidate. Get ready.
She’ll get absolutely demoed by Trump. I can’t wait for Dems to have to vote for a racist cop though, peak irony.
Anyone will get demoed (?) by drumpf and the GOP.
They’ll probably claim whoever gets the nomination wasn’t born in the US, is part of a satanic paedophilic cabal, etc etc etc.
So that bit doesn’t matter. Get someone who ideally inspires the swing states and hesitant voters.
Then there’ll be a violent uprising with the support of the supreme court, but again there’s nothing you can do to prevent that now.
One of the things Harris really has going for her is the fact that she would absolutely demolish Trump in a debate. She would not let him off the hook for his lies and would be able to counter his BS with reality.
Which is why Trump will never agree to debate her.
If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.
I wondered what the H was for
What makes you think she could do that? Honest question. The few speeches I heard from her she performed poorly.
She’s great on attack, she just gets tongue tied on defense sometimes. Before the primary (where she had some good attacks), she was most known for questioning people in the senate.
She was a prosecutor. Trump is a rambling tank of lies. She is smart enough to predict his bullshit and have responses in the can. I would love to see someone call Trump a liar to his face constantly for an hour.
If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.
GOP: Holy shit, why didn’t we think of that?
Put a woke commie pacifist on the ticket? Hah! Now, Supply-Side Jesus, that’s a candidate.
They probably did think of it but then rejected it when they found out how progressive Jesus is
You cannot be serious. She’s as bad at public speaking as Biden during the last debate. She absolutely would not stand a chance in a debate with Trump.
I don’t like Harris at all, but I’d love to see her in a debate with trump.
They kind have to… IMO… You know, the whole DEI thing.
Having the first US woman president would be cool. And maybe the first woman vice-president as well, why not?
Running a woman for president is risky because of boomers, but the majority of them are voting Trump anyway. Running two women on the ticket I think would be a mistake. There are a lot of progressives that are still misogynist. As much as I’d love to see Harris/AOC I think they need to pick a man for VP.
Haven’t you just had the first woman vice-president?
Oh yeah, I forgot the US did that.
Nobody voted for Biden because Kamala was the VP. Get real man, accept reality. Yes she might be better than Biden at this point but the only way she wins this is if she beats trump in a debate and based on her speaking skills in the few speeches I heard from her she will look like a moron on stage compared to him.
…what does any of that have to do with the comment you replied to
yeah it would be cool but we’re talking about the American voter
Lol
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I am all for a women president, but Harris is just a Hilary repeat … Please dont.
AOC would be amazing but I know shes "too progressive"for the boomers… What ever the fuck that means
Progressives aren’t going to get a candidate we like this year. And you know what, that’s ok. I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe, but I’ll do everything in my power to put in office Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or whoever else milquetoast neolib gets the establishment nod, if only to prevent Trump from taking office.
I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe
Thanks for letting us know you’d rather have an autocratic despot run this country than Biden
Get it all out. We’re on the same side now, sweet heart!
I like AOC’s passion but a lot of people believe she’s too progressive. She’s young and can probably be more beneficial to her constituents and the party where she is for a few more years.
Harris should have a good shot, just for name recognition, her stance on abortion, and being part of the incumbent administration. Maybe she’s a more likable candidate then she was four years ago. The Democrats will have to give her a chance.
Too progressive = union busting?
Why is she Hillary repeat?
Piece of shit cop that ruined people’s lives for the crime of minding their own damn business. Not progressive, at all, and very far right as Democrats go.
cop
And just like that the concern trolls have aligned on a new attack line.
I’m voting for anyone not Trump, but she has a very public record of incarcerating non-violent offenders.
Because that is the talking point that the foreign propaganda machine has been pumping out for the last few months. You’ll notice there were no comparisons to Hillary a year ago. Now it’s all “Harris is a cop,” and “Harris is Hillary 2.0”. Ignore all of that bullshit. It’s foreign trolls doing their job and muddying the waters.
I feel like I heard that stuff during the 2020 primaries as well, but the spotlight has definitely shifted back on her so we’ll be hearing all sorts of things.
Exactly. If it were a real issue, it would be important enough to talk about all the time. When it only comes up if she is in the spotlight, it’s a disinformation campaign.
The thought is that her years as a prosecutor will come back to bite her. Plus a lot of people seem to have a problem with her personality.
I haven’t watched her enough to form an opinion but those are the takes I’ve heard most often.
A prosecutor who is anti marijuana and anti minority.
If that’s the spin republicans will take on her, they’ll alienate their own voters and push them democratic.
Oof, that’s not great; got an example?
Apparently she changed her mind according to the sources responding to my comment.
She’s a democrat so the average voter is totally incapable of identifying that they could be anything but pro minority and soft on crime.
It’s like pointing out that republicans keep crashing the economy, doesn’t matter, they’re branding is still ‘good for business’
I don’t know much about her, but directly from the wiki:
The rate at which Harris’s office prosecuted marijuana crimes was higher than the rate under Hallinan, but the number of defendants sentenced to state prison for such offenses was substantially lower.[76] Prosecutions for low-level marijuana offenses were rare under Harris, and her office had a policy of not pursuing jail time for marijuana possession offenses.[76]
It sounds like her position on weed is not exactly what people are painting it as. At least these comments make it seem much worse than it is according to the wiki.
Hmmm… crickets
Why is she Hillary repeat?
They don’t know. Watch… they won’t have specific factual reasons, only vague generalizations. Betcha.
Speaking, presentation, likability.
So well spoken female that people just don’t like for some reason?
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Chosen because of her gender before her merit. Evidence: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/15/biden-woman-vice-president-131309
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She ran for president previously and lost terribly because people didn’t like her. She is not well spoken because clearly people didn’t resonate with her, women included.
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When she loses, and I assure you she will, it’s not because she’s a woman. It all comes down to her track record and how charismatic she is, both which are bad.
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Let’s not forget she backs Biden so things that the left is against, such as her and Biden sending bombs to Israel will hurt her terribly.
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I’m probably voting for her, but it leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth stomaching it. I’m able to accept that I won’t have a perfect candidate but most Americans aren’t these days so it’s a loss for her, yeah.
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I do not like Hillary and I do not like Harris. I don’t however agree with harris being a Hilary repeat, I think she has a way better shot than Biden did
AOC is legally too young to run still.
Dont understand how this myth still persists, since it is immediately corrected every time I’ve seen someone claim it.
I see this bullshit literally every day. Read up.
Intentional misinformation spread because they fear her
She’ll be old enough by January 20th so she can run.
Actually old enough before the election. I was under that misapprehension, as well.
Have you actually listened to her on the issues or do you just know what the media has been spouting? I was surprised to hear her very articulate and reasonable stances from her directly rather than through a progressive media filter. There’s a mismatch.
To each their own, but when I watched her in the debate years back I only remember her as one of the people I explicitly didn’t like lol. Whatever, there’s some good points in this thread and I dearly hope they’re right.
Everyone needs to join a church before the Nazi MAGA army starts hunting atheists
That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.
Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.
Waiting for the “you’re gonna vote for a cop?” comments on Lemmy in regards to Harris.
To every one of you in here who spent the last year defending him: shut the fuck up. It was obvious he is a senile segregationist piece of garbage. You need to reevaluate all your political opinions.
Fuck.
Biden had zero, and I mean ZERO chance of winning. This was the only real choice.
He definitely didn’t have zero chance, nobody knows what his chances would have been. This is all uncharted waters.
FUCK YES!!! Finally the stubborn old man did what we knew he needed to do all along.
No one gives a fuck what that fascist loser thinks.
Fuck
Yeah!
Yeah, fuck. I just lost $60 on a bet over this
Better then losing your country.
$60 well lost for a better candidate.
I’ll match that donation
He was literally doing the job and doing it well.
Some of the accomplishments:
Lowering Costs of Families’ Everyday Expenses. More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. Making More in America. Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. Rebuilding our infrastructure. Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. CHIP Act
He wasn’t going to beat Trump. Why would you want Trump to win?
Yeah sure.
Let’s see if whoever they come up with beats trump. Then you can crow.
I know who could beat Trump.
Biden was going to lose. The next candidate may not.
IMO, as an outsider, he has done a great job.
Among many successes that have drifted across my news feeds, he has also excelled past the really low bar of “not making a mockery of the US”.That statement is not exclusive from the statement that “Biden should not run again”.
It’s 4 years later. And he would have to do another 4 years if he won.
I know presidents are more than just a person in the same way a ship can’t sail with only it’s captain. But strong leadership is going to make everything easier.
And Biden is old.You’re not wrong, but the comparison I like here is Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She wasn’t just doing her job well, she was one of the best Supreme Court Justicies EVER.
She didn’t resign when the time was right, and as a result she died under Trump, a republican got her seat, and all the great things she did were swiftly demolished, wrecking decades of work over one single mistake: Not knowing when to step down.
Now I know the situation isn’t perfectly comparable. But if Trump gets in, then every good thing Biden has done will be swiftly undone. This was a hellish dilemma, but if Biden wants to do his job well, he needs to do that by not letting Trump into the White House again.
My mom doesn’t like when I talk about how badly RBG fucked the people she legitimately worked so hard to uplift and protect, in my opinion because of her ego. I hold very little resentment because I understand wanting to personally preserve your legacy, but that motivation seems to fail more often than allowing someone else to preserve it for you.
Booo. Biden was a rubber stamper. He never had a progressive thought in his life.
Except he was failing at the most important job - stopping another 4 years of Trump. And yes, that’s partly the media’s fault, but it’s mostly Biden’s fault. Trump’s debate performance matched what could’ve been predicted pretty closely, and Biden failed to rebut Trump effectively and often seemed to help Trump argue against himself. For example, they should’ve easily foreseen that Trump would do the weird brag about his cognitive test scores. Why was there no response to that? Why not demand that Trump produce the results instead of just brag about them, or point out that nobody asked?
Clearly this was unacceptable, and I hope the next candidate dispenses with the vast majority of Biden’s election team.
Fuck yes you mean! I’m joking, I can see how this is scary and it is risky to an extent( although way less than Biden staying in imo). Here is what I would consider about this though as a positive:
I think this will at least partially reinvigorate the voting population
I don’t know this of course but personally I haven’t been excited about pretty much anything happening in politics in a while. I am actually excited and they haven’t even picked a new nominee yet. Harris would be my least popular pick but if they pick her I will be way more happy/motivated about voting. I hope this pumps some blood into voter turnout.
It’s really a good move. At this point any person under 70 could mop the floor with trump, he’s still the worst possible candidate from any position, and the GOP has had zero time to poison whoever gets the nomination.
Yup. Kamala is also not a bad pick because republicans are almost certainly going to start with racism/sexism as their first attacks “Oh, she’s DEI”. Given trump has been trying to court the black/Latino vote, this will play against him.
Further, Kamala will be able to excellently push him on abortion. Biden really sucked at advocating for women’s rights even though that’s been a winner pretty much every time it’s been the focus of a campaign (there’s a reason Rs have backed away from mentioning it).
It’ll still be close and there’s still a lot of unknowns. However, I for one think this is the right move.
And now we apply the same logic to Trumps mental decline and very old age!!
Right …?? Right!?
It’s pretty hard to argue against the same reasoning that pushed Biden off the ticket. He IS too old, and clearly struggling, you put someone in their 40s and 50s across from Trump, he will look as badly as Biden did.
Well… at minimum to anybody who publicly complained about bidens age.
Now is there chance to not be a hypocrite. I hope Americans are calling it hypocrites this week. There will be many.
Dosen’t matter, if you convince people to say a old candidate who can’t speak reasonably well is absolutely a danger to the country, you aren’t unconvincing them of that now that Trump is the old confused rambler on stage.
You don’t have to convince them. You just have to ask them to behave the same way. And if they don’t. Then call them a hypocrite. To their face.
Good luck!
yeah!
K-Hive is ready baby!
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