Exactly how rude is it to ask “Do you guys actually belief those obviously false and absurd things or are you just trying to maliciously gaslight me?” ? It gives the benefit of the doubt of Hanlon’s Razor.
Absolutely!!
All religions are damn cults and primitive. Always been used to control the uneducated ignorant masses.
Sunday school is a child grooming institution.
You can have respect for somebody’s right to hold whatever beliefs they please. But that doesn’t mean you have to respect the nonsense.
Yeah, because… you know, nobody agrees on which ones make that list.
So the path of least resistance is “I respect your beliefs”, instead of “made up magic Kaiju follower battle royale 2025”. Worth noting that in previous editions atheists have historically been significantly outnumbered.
I don’t have to respect people for their beliefs.
Some people believe vaccines cause autism. Their beliefs are stupid and actively dangerous to society, and I will call them on that shit.
That would be so nice. We’d actually have a nice public transport system everywhere if vaccine caused autism.
How DARE you not respect the obvious stupidity of others??!?!
I heard that the act of comparing two things immediately gives the lesser of those two things some validity simply because they are being compared. I didn’t believe it at the time, but I sure do now.
Case in point: vaccines cause autism vs no that’s fucking stupid.
Somehow we all thought it was fucking moronic, but now we live in a world where it is somehow NOT immediately dismissed as bullshit.
Is it wrong to hope for a nearby nuclear disaster? Seems less painful than current conditions.
I don’t respect any religious beliefs.
Do you respect the identities of the Bissu priests of Indonesia as mixed-gender emissaries to their god?
I believe their identity is valid and fully support it, but see the religious connection as ridiculous. That is not to say that I have a problem with spiritual or supernatural beliefs, I just don’t believe people should be indoctrinating each other and basing policy or laws on it. Basically spirituality should be something people use to work on their own issues not force those issues on other people.
You can’t disentangle religion from gender in someone who has a religious gender identity. You’re making the same mistake as the transphobes we have here in the west. Those transphobes think they can disentangle gender identity from sports, or from children. But gender identity touches everything and you have to respect all of it or you’re not respecting any of it. You have to respect people’s freedom of religion in order to respect religious genders.
I respectfully disagree. I believe that expecting NBs to be shamans/priests is the same thing as telling women to “shut up and make me a sandwich” or telling young boys to “stop crying and act like a man”. it’s just another societally imposed gender role.
People have a tendency to socially isolate people who are different. Tribal communities tend to push artists and genderqueer folk into the role of shaman too. It’s a phenomenon heard about during the 5 year period where I smoked way too much weed and accidentally became a certified shaman.
Yeah okay but if a trans woman says “I like being a loving wife” and you say “You’re not a wife”, you’re not actually liberating her. Even if the social category of “wife” is damaging to those it’s forced onto, you can’t repair that damage by forcibly taking it away from trans people.
I’m not saying that, I’m saying “tradwife” isn’t a gender identity. It can a be a valid part of someone’s identity and one traditionally associated with being a woman. it’s just a chosen aspect of their identity. Gender isn’t a choice and tying it to professions and societal expectations isn’t healthy.
I didn’t say tradwife, I said wife. Wife is a gender identity, and it’s also a social role. Things can be both and you can’t take them away from people who want them.
I have equal disdain for every religion. There is no worse disease plaguing the human race.
I’d argue greed.
I like the spaghettios. That’s a fun religion
Um, we prefer Pastafarians, but thanks.
spaghettios are the cool pastafarians
How dare you talk to our god and savior flying spaghetti monster like that!
If you don’t obey our religion, you will… actually… still go to heaven with stripper factories and beer volcanos. Flying spaghetti monster loves you no matter what
R’amen!
Y’all might get a pass, but only cause y’all not tryna stick your noodles in my business.
What’s the difference in a cult and a religion?
2000 years.
Well it took 300 years between Jesus allegedly being around and the emperor Constantine promoting it as the dominant religion. So way shorter than 2000.
A lot less. The mormons are rich enough to buy an army now and they were founded in 1830.
They had the unique position to snatch up a state nobody (accepting the natives) really wanted. They settled on a salt lake. It’s a miracle they survived. (This isn’t pro Mormon, it’s just wild that they survived).
The way they tell it, yes. Plans to occupy that area were afoot a few years before Joseph Smith was extra-judicially punished for his crimes in Illinois. It is a wild tale for sure.
Plenty of white folks saw the value in that area decades before this, mostly mining companies. They just needed a bunch of sincere hard-working schmucks to build the infrastructure. Brigham Young was happy to provide them.
The Mexican-American war had just broken out when the rank-and-file were re-consolidating in Council Bluffs, Iowa after Joesph was murdered for the crime of becoming a mask-off kiddie-fiddling tyrant.
Brigham happily leased about 500 men to the federal government for a Mormon Battalion to go secure the port of San Diego. He negotiated an exception to military uniform requirements so the ~$50/man uniform allowance could go into a general fund for the larger group to migrate west. $50k cash provided Brigham much needed liquid capital for his territorial schemes. The church was already land-rich at that point, but cash money was limiting. The battalion never saw any action, so it was regarded as a successful gambit.
The poor ordinary Mormons experienced crushing poverty for many years after settlement, it’s true. As usual, the sweet, sincere believers in things beyond themselves were used so the inner circle could accumulate more worldly wealth.
You know all those places they were chased out of? You bet your bippy that days before things got nasty, agents of the church left town with boxes of deeds to all that cheap frontier land that was sure to soar in value over the years.
It is no coincidence that in that same era, Brigham received revelation that we were yet un-worthy of the full blessings of the communistic lifestyle they originally aspired to.
Yeah, a wild ride.
But still pretty dumb.
That was a neat little history lesson, thanks!
I think it’s mainly to not get into an argument. It sours things. It’s non-religious but I got into a climate change denier that worked at my company alongside two Trump supporters. They were also talking about red pill content.
Now I can’t respect any shit that comes out of their mouths.
Earlier in the conversation we were talking about shows in London and what west end shows we’ve seen. He’s lived there for 11 years and said he hasn’t seen anything because he had no friends to go with. I didn’t piece it together until later on.
Religion. Ruins. Everything…Every. Time.
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Would you not respect a religion if it didn’t have many followers?
Fuck that, I love my Wiccan homies
I think having too many followers is a bad thing for a religion. A person is smart, but people are stupid. The more people, the more stupid.
People can believe whatever they like as long as it stays in their head
As soon as their beliefs start negatively impacting anyone or anything, that’s when we have a problem
The problem with most belief systems is that people want a tribe that believes what they believe, so they naturally spread like a disease.
You do not have to pretend. Speak the truth, find a way to integrate them into reality.
But you don’t have to respect it
