What is wrong about what she said?
Normally you imagine positive change behind protesting, and you probably assumed that when you read “protesters”, but not every occurrence of “making a scene” is constructive.
She isn’t the president. She’s yet to map out the road ahead.
People are used to being helpless and pathetic so they don’t even consider anything other than “protesting.” But what about building policy and bringing it to her? Why not start a dialogue? Why not map out bits of that road ahead? Why not consider experts who could help the next Democratic admin? Why not study policy yourself? Why not go form connections with humanitarian groups? Or join them?? Why not go talk to people and bring that wealth of data to her?
Why not HELP and CONTRIBUTE? If you just want to YELL then go yell at the people in charge.
Goddamn these fucking protesters are such inauthentic losers. So “brave” yet terrified to protest the Trump administration.
Fucking phonies. They don’t even remotely give a shit about Palestinians.
He said from his spinning office chair in his air conditioned room.
The pro-Palestine movement is protesting against the Trump administration almost every day. Just because Democrats are one degree better doesn’t mean they get a pass for supporting the modern-day Holocaust for 16 months and handing the country on a silver platter to Trump.
Every centrist Democrat who played a part in propping up the inanimate corpse of Biden and supported the genocide in 2024 need to be run out of politics and reminded of their FAILURE to stop fascism for the rest of their lives.
And people like you are why trump won.
No you!
Good argument. Wanna call them a bot next?
Kamala Harris is why Trump won. She made it clear that she didn’t want the pro-Palestine movement’s votes and paid the price, that’s how democracy works.
So Trump got the “pro-Palestine” movement’s support via them deciding to not vote for his opposition. Great job. Really helped Palestine by easing the way for the racist dictator!
🤷♀️ you don’t get a pass for supporting genocide just because your opposition is one degree worse. If democrats wanted to win they should have listened to the voters and not their billionaire consultants and AIPAC donors. Sucks to suck!
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives over the one that doesn’t value anyone but himself. There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave. There’s zero chance of that with Trump. Forest through the trees.
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives
Neither of the top two candidates qualify.
There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave.
Read this again. Pay attention to how weak of an argument it is. There was a chance she would eventually cave? Come on, no one really believes that, especially when she gave no indication that she believed anything different than Trump or Biden about Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. You just got an “I can change her” vibe from her with no evidence.
If such people are why the democrats lost, then maybe the democrats should’ve listened to them? Basic politics 101. Next time try listening to voters if you want their votes.
No Harris knew what’s best, anyone saying she’s wrong was a Russian bot who never voted except somehow also voted for Trump.
Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.
Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.
Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden’s equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.
I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.
Quite frankly anybody that’s still defending the Democratic Party and the AIPAC-driven Harris 2024 campaign sounds more like a bot than any of the real people I talk about politics with every day who absolutely despise both Trump and the feckless, centrist Dems.
Right wingers love projection, that’s why they say the ones who speak truth are the bots, and the ones funded by think-tanks and SuperPACs are the real options to save the country.
Ah yeah, good thing we got all that but way worse with how people voted.
Domestically, yeah he’s worse, he’s literally an authoritarian fascist dictator.
For Gaza? Biden was literally worse. He was way more outspoken in his support for Israel, he never showed compassion for Palestinians, and he called himself a proud Zionist constantly. Not to mention he spent WAY MORE of your tax dollars on military support to them.
Like it’s not even close, $28 billion vs Trump’s $16. And you’re still repeating the same bullshit…
Kamala Harris ran on a pro-genocide platform and was very supportive of Israel. This was one of the reasons why she lost.
Trump is doing a fantastic job supporting Israel in her place
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Here we go again with the “we hate Israel so we won’t vote for Kamala and allow Trump to win so he can supply Israel with more bombs” crowd. Brother the entire ticket was pro Israel. Stop blaming this one issue as the reason she lost.
The person said “one of the reasons”, as in one reason out of many. Sorry to be flippant, but jeez, people really need to learn to read.
But how can it be one of the reasons when her opponent was way worse on this issue, and all the other issues
I think people thought by voicing it to her, she wpupd change las minute then they would vote. She didnt blink, and so these voters also didnt vote for her out of spite. And these voters still get to ctey “i did not vote for Kamala” for dubious moral high grounds.
Because they’re really really stupid but have good intentions
I guess I’ll accept some possibly reasonably sized portions may in fact just be well meaning morons. Which I don’t really like saying, like I think 99% of people are totally capable and have to be trusted with making fundamental political decisions.
So, by that token 99% if people are push to shove responsible for the results of their actions. Not the intent
It’s possible to be upset that you have no candidate who opposes genocide, no matter how preferable you think genocide(D) is to genocide(R).
Absolutely it is. But if you voted for trump or didn’t vote for Kamala you helped get trump elected whether you like it or not.
Wouldn’t it be lovely if it wasn’t a 2 party system where both parties are neoliberal corporate stooges.
But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything
But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything
Being happy with an untenable status quo doesn’t make it tenable.
And acting like “don’t sell weapons you know are going to be used for genocide” is an unreasonable ask in any way, acting like people who don’t want to be complicit in a genocide are asking for puppies and rainbows? That’s gross.
I never said anyone had to be happy with it. I didn’t even say anyone had to vote for Kamala. I just said that you have to live with your choices, and if you made that choice in all good conscience to knowingly not try to stop a fascist coup.
I don’t really know why anyone is arguing with me, you can do whatever you want, I just want people to stand by their convictions if they chose not to vote against fascism
it’s a trolley problem. realistically, there are only two choices in the presidential election, and it’s our responsibility to vote for the one who will cause less harm. I fucking hate Kamala, but I held my nose and voted for her because trump is causing even more damage
in an ideal world, we could have a real election and vote for an actually good candidate, but that is not the world we live in
But all of you people who held your nose and voted for her are the reason why she felt able to run on a pro-genocide platform. If you all had more morals, the Democrats wouldn’t have felt safe running a pro-genocide candidate. (See the game can be played both ways when we decide not to blame the people who actually deserve it — those at the top).
Why do people keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened every time I say that democrats had no business supporting genocide?
I suppose it’s because they never intend to change their policies and expect further complicity in the future.
Whats even the point of democracy if politicians aren’t running to give people what they actually want and just point at the greater evil and say “I won’t do anything to improve your lives, but the other guy is really scary and bad!”. Can you even name a single Harris 2024 policy proposal off the top of your head?
I am not a fan of Kamala. The DNC should be dismantled for how they handled the 2024 elections.
However I consider myself somewhat educated so when I’m offered either a turd or the end of democracy as we know it as the only VIABLE options, then I’m going to choose the turd.
I will admit that the situation isn’t lost as some of the dnc leaders are at least realizing their mistake so hopefully, if we even get the chance to vote again, they will support the right people next time.
If you want to win elections, you need to give the voters what they want. You should not complain if you lose after running against what your voters want.
The difference between the dnc and rnc is that the rnc is united behind 1 set of morals that stays relatively consistent: religion. The dnc is more like a coalition of different ideas. So you are right that they should have done more to capture more voters.
However the non voters and protest voters are “cutting off their nose to spite their face”. Idk if you’re familiar with that saying but in other words they voted against genocide and instead voted for more genocide. If you don’t see how that is a fact then I’m sorry but you lack comprehension of reality and need to do WAY more research and studying so you can sit at the big kids table.
The ones that allowed Trump to win are all of you who insisted on voting for a nonviable genocidal candidate despite everyone telling you “we’re not voting for her”.
You trusted media polls instead of your own eyes and ears, and you explicitly voted for genocide, and now you’re blaming those with a moral compass for refusing to vote for it.
Biden was way more pro Israel than Trump, most of Gaza was destroyed under Biden, Trump has supplied less bombs than Biden, and you’re convinced Kamala would have been better than Trump? She campaigned on most lethal military in the face of genocide protests.
You just wanted her because it’s better for America, not for Palestine. Stop making the Trump is worse argument, because Biden was way worse. Take ownership of your moral failure so that you don’t repeat it again by campaigning for genocidal Newsom instead of revolting.
And don’t give me any bullshit about having the chance to do something under Kamala, you didn’t do anything under Biden and you’re not doing anything now, yet you’re still blaming those who had tried to do something.
You wanted status quo, you wanted comfort, you wanted Kamala to finish the genocide quietly while denying it, you wanted to get back to pretending like you have a functional democracy. And you’ll deserve everything in Trump until you find your moral compass and join those who refuse to support the “lesser evil” and revolt.
Your empire is collapsing, and your dictator is not going away without force, and your crowd are obsessed with the next election. You need to stop working, you need to stop labor, you need to revolt.
It’s uncomfortable, I know. You’ve had two years to prepare yourself, how much longer do you need?
I voted to cause the least harm possible. unfortunately, both candidates were pro-genocide,so we were stuck between someone who was going to cause a lot of harm and someone who was going to cause even more harm. it fucking sucks, and I wanted to throw up while filling out my ballot, but I live in reality
also, genuine question, what is trump doing better than Biden? trump is causing endless trade wars and has ruined our reputation with the rest of the world
Here’s how it works, and you can lay this to rest.
I am an activist. I am or knocking doors for candidates. That means I’m volunteering my own time and money.
If she isn’t willing to come my way on Palestine, why should I spend time and money on her?
That’s why she lost. We all voted, but she had no grass support.
There’s a difference between putting on a show to impress your activist buddies and actually caring about an issue. These people protesting Harris are like you, just putting on a show to aggrandize themselves. No different from the MAGAs.
I dont think you read my comment.
Kamala lost because she was terrible at everything
Kamala lost because she was running on a Campaign of Joy™️
The only way to win a campaign is to garner more rage than your opponent. Nixon’s campaign manager put it well- “The secret to politics is to know who hates who”. That’s how they flipped the then deep blue south into a Republican stronghold for 60 years.
Frankly I think this is why we are doomed to civil war, candidates that try to calm things down will always lose to candidates who fan the flames.
This thought process makes no fucking sense though because the other guy did too…
Kamala was very obviously the “better” choice for Palestine.
Yes, she’s still a shit choice for Palestine.
But I don’t understand this logic, this person is going to let a genocide happen if we elect them, the other guy is going to let a genocide and a fascism happen.
Someone make it make sense
Some people don’t like being taken advantage of as much as you do. There’s your answer. They don’t like being given no meaningful choice, and that’s what harris represented.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t support genocide if you can imagine it. You don’t get a primary, and the candidate you get is as pro-genocide as the one you would have voted against in the primary. You’ve been railroaded. You knew the guy the party wanted wasn’t gonna win. You know this one isn’t gonna win. You know that smug genocide supporters are gonna blame you no matter how you vote, even though they’re the ones that refuse to listen to the people. After all, they would rather you have no choice. They made that clear when they robbed you of it.
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Makes a whole bunch of sense when you consider a lot of America still just can’t accept the idea of a woman as president, and they’ll use any excuse they can to make themselves feel better about the misogyny.
A whole lot of people wont vote for war criminals of any party, its that simple. If Harris had half a brain she would have read the polls and known she had no route to victory in supporting Israel.
If you want to now cry and point fingers, go ahead. You got maneuvered into supporting war crimes and now you want to pretend to be better than other people. You’re down in the mud with the rest of us. You’re no better or worse, but you are being a smug jerk with nothing to be smug about. Thats pathetic.I think you think I’m like pro Harris or something, I’m very much not. I’m just talking about how utterly illogical it is to choose the greater of 2 evils.
If you can’t morally vote for a lesser war criminal I honestly understand it.
You just need to admit that you’ve helped enable trump
How’s that working out? 🙈
What, specifically, was the “pro genocide platform”? Because I remember that election pretty well, and I don’t recall any advocacy of genocide, at least not from Harris.
Let’s be honest for one second. Here’s how American politics on Israel actually breaks down:
Democrats: often criticize Netanyahu but never actually cut off aid. However, several Democrats already opposed continuing aid to Israel and the rest of the party conceivably could listen to growing opposition to Israel’s war.
Republicans: actively hate all poor brown people and want Israel to kill them all. They will also use deportations and any other means available to silence anyone voicing opposition to said killing of all poor brown people.
I get that neither choice is perfect, but I really can’t see why it’s a struggle.
You’re so caught up in left vs right that you fail to see that they are two sides of the same coin. Democrat waffling paves the way for Republican atrocities. The two parties act in concert to enact the interests of the ruling class. The only way we are getting out of this is if we abandon the framework they have indoctrinated us in, and start seeing the world clearly, as a struggle between those who have against those who have not.
She did not distance herself from Biden on the subject. As the democratic nominee; heir to the Biden campaign; and then current VP in the Biden administration, this meant that her platform on Gaza defaulted to being the Biden policy.
I agree that I would rather be fighting a Harris administration over Gaza policy instead of a Trump administration. But running as a less bad version of the opposing party is not effective politics.
In that same vein, protesting a former VP from a party that is out of power is also not an effective form of activism.
If this lady can’t even commit to stopping a genocide, then what makes you all think she would have saved democracy? As the scene from Breaking Bad goes, you are not the guy!
She wasn’t advocating for authoritarianism so that should be the first hint.
Are you a dumbfuck or just dumb?
If she shut up and went away, then protesters probably wouldn’t bother her.
Why should she do that?
If you lose to Donald Fucking Trump, you should be too ashamed to show your face in public.
I think her stances on all important political and economic issues were better than Trump’s. The American people want unpredictable tariffs, authoritarianism, and an end to the rules-based international order that the US established in the wake of the second world war. She offered a reasonable alternative, and it was rejected by the American people. I don’t think she should need to be ashamed about that.
That’s a pretty emotional argument. She’s a mature woman in her 70’s. I doubt she would see it the way you do.
Would you end your current career if you had some sort of major failure? Personally, I would try to learn from it and do better next time.
Imagine a pilot flying a plane into a building and then going on book tours. Even worse, it’s kind of obvious the pilot did it because rich people and foreign nations told him to.
“I’m not the pilot right now”
Kamala Harris is 60.
If my failure caused 4 years of Donald Trump? Yes, I would find another career. How many fully loaded 747s can a pilot crash before they shouldn’t be speaking authoritatively on how to fly planes?
You really like false equivalency arguments, don’t you? Harris didn’t singlehandedly cause four more years of Trump. That took the entire GOP working/plotting towards it for four years, as well as many failures in leadership, on both sides, among many departments. I blame Biden’s DOJ for not prosecuting Trump for inciting an insurrection more than I blame Harris’ rushed campaign and handful of poor responses to questions. I also blame voters like you, who still fail to see the big picture and, instead, waste energy trying to punish neoliberals for playing neoliberal politics when the choice is between more neoliberalism and outright fascism. Both choices suck, but one leaves the option for a long game, while the other leads to minorities like me being murdered by the state.
Of course it was a team effort to lose. We all agree. Nobody solely blames her. But this issue, genocide, is one that could have changed the entire campaign. She fucked it up then, and she still can’t admit it… So what we all see is her lack of values on display. No need to listen to that, to respect that.
What would the Democrats have to do to lose your support?
How much failure and faked impotence does it take for you to discard them?
Don’t answer that, just think about it.
I don’t support democrats. I’m opposed to fascism. I think I’ve thought about it a little more than you have.
Because she’s supposed to be a good person who isn’t tone deft?
Guess that was just an act too.
She’s a politician. Everything’s an act. She’s also not openly fascist. The other option we were given is. I really don’t see how this is hard for so many of y’all.
You keep assuming leftists were why she lost.
That’s because you deepthroat propaganda.
Leftists overwhelmingly voted for Harris.
No, I’m saying a percentage of leftists helped Trump win because they succumbed to propaganda. IMO, the leftists that opted out of voting for Harris don’t get to pretend like they did it to help Palestine. Trump getting back into office is, and was always going to be worse for Palestine. Seeing as you’re willing to put words into my mouth, this is the only response you’re going to get from me. Not interested in conversing with rage-fueled teenagers.
The data shows that the people who voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were democrats and independant boomers, genx, and a small amount of Millennials. Of these age groups the ones who stayed home the vast majority were white men/women, and hispanic men. Again these were boomer Neoliberals who didn’t want to vote for a colored woman.
If every single gaza protester voted for Harris (assuming none of them did) then it wouldn’t be anywhere close to enough votes for her to win.
Quit deepthroating the anti leftist, anti young propaganda plz
Who has the video when she was doing a rally for her campaign and protester said free Palestine and she shut them down ?
sigh looking back, we saw all the signs… https://youtu.be/FTIFTsrx0fI
If I wanna trump to win say that
The audacity of that
I remember in that same time and day the whole leftist internet were retweeing her clip and hashtagging #ImSpeaking celebrating how powerful she was shutting down a crowd asking their VP and presidential nominee to do something about the genocide, in that same day, 500 people were massacred by Israel. It was too disgusting, and has aged like rotten milk
Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are “laughing at us right now.”
And they’re loving the goons continuing their antidemocratic work of perpetually attacking Harris. Crisis averted: a black woman didn’t get in the hot seat where she could have actually moved the needle toward progress. True progressives understand why Rosa Parks was picked even though she wasn’t first. The purity test bullshit on the left is a successful bait campaign by the right.
The purity test bullshit on the left
Dems aren’t on the left
Exhibit A: purity test bullshit.
so if dems are on the left, and the left is the reason Harris lost, then that means
[calculating…]
democrats are the reason they lost the election.
I love how you complain about “purity test bullshit” while implying that anyone who doesn’t align with your beliefs is working for Putin or Kim Jong Un.
Your entire argument is purity test bullshit with a dash of racism and misogyny by infantalizing Harris and removing her agency as a person, boiling her, her career, and her campaign down to a simple “black woman.” She didn’t lose on the merits of her policies, decisions, or actions. No, “it’s because she’s black and a woman.”
You’re a perfect example of why the Democrats lost control of every branch of of government. Your words are nothing more than superficial virtue signaling about progressivism that when broken down represent the antithesis of progressivism. You represent the views of a 1990’s Republican whether you realize it or not.
Unironic use of “purity test” means “I have no standards and expect you to abandon yours.”
Absolute horse shit. If you really believe that Harris would have helped the Palestinians i would like to hear why think that is. Condemning what Israel is doing is such a no-brainer, but it does not present any actions, does it? And thats what the Palestinians needed and still need. She was the god damn Vice-President of the United States of America, a country without which the massacre on Gaza would not be possible in the first place. So the god damn least she could have done was to speak out while in a position of Power. You blind yourself if you really think that the head of democratic leadership will accept any sort of real action AGAINST the interest of their big donors. Remember what happened to Bernie.
You are completely proving their point. Do you really think the level of support Israel receives from Trump is the same as what it would have been with Kamala? Do you think Bibi would be in her office telling her how great their relationship is and give her a golden pager?
Do you think Israel would have acted just as brazenly in its escalations and direct attacks on Iran?
There is no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli crimes, but no way in hell would it be equal to or worse than Trump. Even considering them on the same level makes you sound like a psyop.
But hey, ‘i didn’t vote for him’, right?
Unirononically what every third party moron says
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Seems to me, the morons are the ones who voted for genocide and have nothing to show for it in the end.
Yes, I’m aware that voting for the only shot we had was FoR GeNoCidE. But that’s a fucking idiotic framing of the choice that was actually at hand, and even if it weren’t, no one could foresee the future to know that they had the luxury of pissing their vote away.
How funny that “no one could forsee the future to know” that she was running a losing campaign while simultaneously claiming to forsee that she was “the only shot we had” despite other candidates being in the race. Let’s just ignore the fact that this played out exactly the same as the 2016 election and claim there was “no way to know” that alienating the people you expect to vote for you was a bad idea.
The answer to most of your questions would be yes. Insane of you to mention Iran when Kamala very famously (and strangely) declare them as our greatest enemy during her campaign. She was absolutely manufacturing consent for a conflict. Get real buddy.
For someone who apparently has strong convictions about this, you are incredibly ignorant.
Donald Trump literally ordered the assassination of one of Iran’s most revered leaders - Qasem Soleimani. He just recently directly bombed Iran.
How do you possibly equate Harris’ mean words about Iran to Trump’s actions? That is so illogical you seriously have to be a psyop.
The difference between Kamala’s words and Trumps actions is that she was too much of a loser to have the chance to bomb Iran herself 🤣
Shouldn’t you be at a Charlie Kirk memorial or something?
I would only go to honour the shooter tbh.
Liberals thinking real progressives are “conservatives” is the ultimate coping mechanism. Embarrassing for you.
Yes the window dressing is very different, but the material reality is the same:
The Biden administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
The Trump administration provided nearly unlimited weapons to a genocidal regime, while actively lying to the media to cover for the ongoing brutality, and vetoing many ceasefire resolutions.
Where’s the psyop?
Look mate, i am not saying Trump is not making it worse and that faster.
What you refuse to see is that Israel is a pariah state with huge influence over US politics. None, and i repeat none of the known political figures has enough back bone to stand up to them so ANY real change must come from the people.
I get how Trump has been a plight the U.S. and the world. What i am trying to say is that you pretend Trump won because of any single issue and in doing so you ignore the complexity of problems that have corroded the U.S. (and the West at large) into the pathetic state it is in today.
To be fair i do not expect much from Americans today. The few people willing to push for real change are deminished by reformists that hope to save as much as possible from the system that obviously does not work out. All of this has been decades in the making and you guys pointing to single events like this simply revel in your ingorance, feeling right when you get these sweet upvotes. But they don’t matter and they won’t change a thing.
To be fair this whole “conversation” we are having won’t change much, as i do not expect anyone here to be self-critical enough to learn anything.
So why write in the first place? Because the least one needs to do is to challenge these superficial opinions.
You’re pretending that if we noticed a huge number of people swaying support away from Harris - lying and saying that doing so was best for Gaza - we must be simpletons with no understanding that America is fucked for multiple reasons. But that’s all it is. Pretend. The people who can only screech about Democrats’ failure with Gaza seem to be the actual simpletons from where I sit. And some of those people are definitely Russian trolls/bots.
That’s quite a cozy nest of thought-terminating cliches you’ve constructed. Just dismiss your left as stupid russian bots and you never have to acknowledge that you supported something morally reprehensible, not as a reluctant choice, but as an enthusiastic one.
What you’re failing to acknowledge is in a 2 party system the choices weren’t good vs bad, or bad vs worse but bad vs much worse. Shitty vs fucked up. Given those options and only those options you try to make the best of a bad situation not make it worse.
People voted for “much worse” and they got it. Things are good and fucked up.
Don’t you see the cycle of bad vs worse you guys have been in like for multiple decades? Sure would Kamala been better (for the US) than Trump, thats a No-Brainer. And i also very much hoped you and we get another four years of the status-quo. But the decline of your system is ongoing and an end is inevitable. Trump accelerates it and that fucking sucks for you guys, so i get the rage. Believe me when i say i spent multiple days seething at how Trump can insult his allies while sucking up to Putin.
Nontheless it is now rather impossible to even pretend things can go on like this and i hope it will get your and my ass off from the couch.
Good luck.
Not my system. I’m an outsider looking in
Things are good and fucked up because people keep picking “bad” or “worse” on their ballots. We may be stuck in a two party system but who says it has to be these two parties?
You have no idea how frustrating it is to see people like yourself endlessly bitching about how bad things are and how terrible these party’s candidates are but then arguing that we must chose one of these very same candidates or else things might get “bad” as if we don’t have decades and decades of history to look back at and see the result of the very decisions you’re advocating for. As if we can’t see how bad things are now while you argue that we must keep doing the same thing that lead us into this mess if we ever want to get out of this mess. It’s complete nonsense.
Can you provide any objective facts to support any of this? All I see is one long argument based solely on emotion and faith. You can even see your cognitive dissonance rearing its ugly head out at the end, “there’s no question she wouldn’t have done enough to stop Israeli [genocide] … if you think [the genocide] would be equal or worse you sound like a psyop.” Apparently now there are different levels of genocide like Taco Bell sauce packets and some are more desirable than others.
My objective facts? Trump’s actual actions vs hypothetical Harris actions.
You are what you are. A person who lost because they wouldn’t get off the fence.
She could have been if she didn’t fuck up the Gaza situation…
If people rejected the least-worse option for Gaza because she was only the least-worse option for Gaza, then blame rests in the hands of a bunch of people who lack the reasoning power god gave a gnat.
Why argue that she still deserved everyone’s votes because she’s “the least worse?” Why not make an argument for why you think she made the right decision supporting a genocide? You’re framing this as if she were forced into this position and we should have accepted that, which is completely ludicrous.
Why argue that she still deserved everyone’s votes because she’s “the least worse?”
Because they want no better.
They’re fine that POTUS “supports babies being mass murdered abroad”, their problem is that from the two “baby mass murdering in another land supporting” candidates, the one who won is the one that in the US does not do what they would rather they do.
It’s not at all a Moral stand, it’s a What’s Best For Me stand sleazily being spinned as a Moral stand.
Kamala Harris could have been the president today if she had not run on a pro-genocide platform. She miscalculated, and lost the election as a result.
Nah, she’s was a genuinely terrible candidate. Her polling was bad enough in the lead up to the 2020 primaries that she dropped out before any of the initial votes came in. Even had Biden not tried to run again and the DNC had hosted primaries in 2024 i’m certain other candidates would have gotten more support.
Do you ever wrestle with the moral implications of this?
If the “least-worse” option that your system produces is aiding and abetting a genocide, then the only moral option is to destroy the system.
If this is truly the reality of the American system, that genocide is unavoidable, then almost everything is justified. If the Greatest Generation were alive today there would be fascist blood in the streets.
There was no least worse. Both parties are giving billions to israel to continue the war of extermination and lied about the cease fire talks
Anyone who didn’t vote out of protest did far more to “fuck up the Gaza situation” than she did.
This is just patently false but way to pin the blame for her actions on random individuals with no power to change anything.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
You can’t win electrons by running on a pro-genocide platform. You have to listen to your voters to win elections.
You can’t win elections by running on a pro-genocide platform
Unless you’re a Republican, of course, then it becomes a necessity.
The solution isn’t to become a republican. Though democrats seem to think it is.
Depends, is the goal to make America better, or just to have power? Republicans have proven that being evil is the easiest way to get power.
She basically ran a republican campaign from the dem side. Talked about her gun. war hawked racist immoral wars. palled around with a cheney. Ignored her voters. Talked about praying twice a day. The only thing missing would be talking about how she was a young republican “goldwater girl” like hillary tried to do. Both of them tried to pretend to be crypto republicans ,constantly winking at right wingers to try to fit in, so they could gain enough republican votes to ignore the left. Both of them failed at that epicly. That should be a lesson to future Dem candidates. You exist in a coalition, so get your shit together and act like it. Or lose.
While I think “protest not voting” is bad (considering the alternatives), so is giving even more weapons to a genocidal state.
Fuk it. Lets watch the world burn
Ah, much better.If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Ah yes, the Trump whataboutism. Liberals greatest weapon that totally didnt cost them the election… How many times do we gotta teach you guys this lesson??
Mmhmm, it was definitely all the people saying Trump is much worse than Kamala that made the worse guy win.
Why not just nominate someone better?
It cost you the election because that was your entire platform. Liberals giving voters real policies that improve their lives? No thanks we’ll take “trump bad” and blame you for not voting for us!
Brilliant strategy guys. It will totally work next time.
I assure you, I am not Kamala Harris.
Deflecting so you don’t have acknowledge any point that was actually made. Typical.
This may come as a surprise, but the fact that you don’t have the mental capacity to think for yourself, that you not only can be so easily swayed by a vapid idiot, isn’t the problem. It’s the fact that if there was no vapid idiot barking orders at you to make you feel all special, you wouldn’t vote at all.
And that goes for you and every other right wing voter, because the only difference between you and everyone else at your table is the custom size of your swastika armband.
There is nothing you can add to the conversation, because everything coming out of your mouth is absolutely in bad faith.
I only took this time to let you know in case there’s a chance you don’t, but I’m sure you do, I won’t be taking any further time to describe reality to you.
Fucking hell
Yes it indeed is. When Biden left office a large portion of Gaza had already been destroyed. Trump “empowered” Israel to show how bad they want to genocide the Palestinians for real and people wake up.
Before the political powers of the U.S. help the Palestinians hell will freeze over. At best the U.S. has been a force of status quo (Apartheid and Opression). At worst they have fed the ethnical cleansing.
The politicians are NOT our allies. The people on the streets need to put pressure on them until they are willing to enact change AGAINST their own interest because there simply is no out.
It is long overdue to get your asses up from the screen and into the real world like these protesters do. You simply have not grasp on the situation that you think you have, maybe even talk to an activist. Just maybe.
Protesting isn’t being in the real world.
Remember MAGA protests / “stop the count”? There is no requirement for protesters to engage with reality.
The real world is actually doing things. Instead of yelling at people to pick up trash, you pick it up. Instead of yelling at people to fix Gaza, you begin the process.
Literally the best case of protesting is that someone else gets up to do things.
Do you think the Jan. 6 protests did not shape america at all?
What impact did the protest movement against the vietnam war have in you opinion?
You should show that first sentence to some people on the left if you can find any.
yeah fuck this pig. she shouldn’t feel safe anywhere she goes. no politician should.
Yeah but you didn’t condemn Isreal when you should have. You get your just desserts. Never gonna vote for you. Buh-bye.
People blaming Kamala because her policies in some issues were not perfect, and thats why they dont vote for her. Now because of that you have the Superfragilenazipotusshit as President, he is surely doing much better than Kamala… Also, probably you are not having any more fair elections, now it’s gonna be all Russian style elections, unless there is some kind of uprising.
I hope I’m wrong on that, but I think I’m not.
