I’m glad he’s back, but I hope he finds a better venue. If Disney is going to flip on a dime, it’d be better if he left for a more reliable brand (if possible).
LET’S GO JIMMY
Until the board & Iger are tossed, I’m still not going to give you assholes, or your advertisers, any more money.
It’s not Disney’s fault, really. It’s Sinclair and Nexstar, the affiliate networks. They’re the ones that could have pushed back without drastic financial consequences, and they’re the ones that pressured ABC to can the show.
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility they cannot ignore. They handled this as well as they could (and likely raised hell behind closed doors).
Put your ire where it belongs: the fascists and their supporters, not the businesses trying to survive this hellscape without breaking laws
There are LOTS of reasons to hate Disney and their management but this isn’t one of them IMO
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility
I’m so sick of this braindead god-damned cop out. A fascist authoritarian has seized power. If your FiDuCiArY rEsPoNsIbIlItY necessitates absconding moral and ethical responsibilities, let the stupid company burn. Sacrifices must be made to achieve and maintain self governance.
I mean, I personally agree with the sentiment, but I’m not naive enough to think that’s the argument we should be having right now. We can tackle “should businesses be expected to self-immolate for the sake of morality” once the fascists are fucking gone.
Like, they did exactly what they were supposed to do here and managed the fucking crisis then got him back on the air ASAP. But people are pissed at Disney for playing the fucking game instead of at Sinclair and Nexstar, because Disney is a more visible target. It’s myopic and pointless.
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility they cannot ignore.
Sorry, but this is a complete misunderstanding of how this works.
Recognizing that pulling Kimmel’s show would result in severe harm to the brand, short term and long term, matches that responsibility as well. Shareholders can even make the decision to claim the board (and specifically Iger) were in violation of their duties with this decision. The blowback was obvious and expected.
They absolutely are at fault.
There has literally never been a case where defending free speech or any other ethical/moral position in the face of imminent business contract impact has successfully been used to defend against a breach of fiduciary responsibility claim.
You are talking about an imminent threat of action from extremely powerful business partners vs a nebulous argument towards the impact of moral decision making on profitability. Quite the contrary, there is a huge body of evidence that shows behaving immorally is often the most profitable behavior.
Brand damage from taking a show off the air for a week is far easier to undo than the fallout from two major affiliates cancelling their contracts for your entire network.
Sorry, I know what point you’re trying to make, and you are theoretically correct but because it’s completely unprovable with no precedent you are practically incorrect.
vs a nebulous argument towards the impact of moral decision making on profitability.
No, its that vs the clearly expected consumer response, which has a permanent brand impact and a short term subscriber/vacationer/etc impact, not to mention the 2% drop in stocks (an over $4b impact).
Ignoring ethics, this was a bad business decision. The long term impact is obviously not yet known, but the short term impact was rapid and strong.
It’s not a zero sum game. Once the FCC chair did what he did and the affiliate networks made their desires known, there were only two choices: gamble on the brand sentiment impact of pulling the show for an unknown amount of time (which we know now was short) or gamble by playing chicken with the affiliate networks and FCC chair.
As sad as it is to say, we have a lot of data about this: brand image problems are almost always transient while fights with corporate partners and regulators have drastic long term impact.
I abhor the fact that it’s true, but c’mon, it’s pretty clear what someone’s choice would be in that situation if they’re prioritizing shareholder value. Which, again, they are required to by law.
EDIT: I want to be clear here… You are talking as if “people get pissed but we bring it back a week later and then everyone moves on” wasn’t the best possible outcome for them given the circumstances. I think it was, and that was calculated.
If Sinclair owns one of many local affiliates in your area and they own all networks across the country call that local network’s advertisers up and let him know that you’re not going to buy their products.
They worked as predefined by the priorities given by Disney.
Disney chose to give instructions that lead to this kind of occurrences, among other stuff.
Huh? What are you talking about? Sinclair and Nexstar are not in any way beholden to Disney. They are affiliate networks. They are not in any way a part of Disney or operating under their guidance
Still not paying for Disney+ ever again.
Good. You can always use free streaming sites.
Yo Brendan let people be as unfunny as they want without the mafia crap aight, Fled Cruz is right if you keep that up then it’ll normalize it and a democrat will commit the same crime years down the line
Threats are bad from Brendan or Barrack or anybody
How fucking high are you?
I don’t watch the show, and I cancelled Disney+/Hulu. That being said, I’m just stoked that Trump is going to be so mad.
I might watch just to boost the numbers that he hates so much
Why would trump be mad? This proves that we’re living in an atmosphere where he can do whatever he wants, and only a massive response can do anything to stop him.
This means that while he won’t get away with censoring Kimmel, he will get away with censoring many, many others that do not have the support Kimmel has.
It’s genuinely mob rule.
Why would trump be mad?
It proves his power isn’t absolute, so I can see him requiring a huge dose of
(Although, according to RFK Jr and his voice that ressembles a garbage disposal and his face that looks like a microwaved Mel Gibson, that could cause autism).
Microwaved Mel Gibson is fucking perfect.
I’m more excited to see what comes out of this than what Jimmy Kimmel does.
Fuck disney still tho
At this point I am done with Disney. There is not much they can do to get me back.
[side-eyeing the Mandalorian and Grogu poster, sweating]
Ever heard of this thing called Torrent? It was created, among other reasons, for situations precisely like this one ❤️
Yarr matey. I was just making a joke about how my morality is at odds with my nostalgic devotion to intellectual properties.
Oh wait, I thought of another witty reply:
You wouldn’t download a Razor Crest, shoot a Mandalorian, shit in his helmet, give it to his alien baby foundling, and then steal the helmet again.
Yarrrrr me to matey …but not sweating so much. Just torrenting
Dont care, fuck ABC.
Yeah I think we’re done. Even Dad has stopped watching ABC News in the evenings.
what… uh, news does he watch now then?
Don’t care
I don’t watch ABC — though I’ll occasionally look at their website — but I do care. I think that it’s a positive not to have Kimmel kicked off over this.
here’s the rub - he was kicked off and you cannot unring that bell. he was restored sure. but both actions are for two very big reasons. the former because of an alliance with fascism and the latter because of an alliance toward profit.
Did he apologize and purchase their indulgence?
Most likely not.
However, a lot of people here and there have been reporting that they’ve cancelled their Disney subscriptions. They saw that the trend is not showing signs of ending and had to make it end. Get Kimmel back and customers will stop leaking away.
Get Kimmel back and customers will stop leaking away.
Thats the plan for sure. They’ve lost ground, they won’t recover all the subscribers lost, but they are trying to stop the absolute hemorrhaging they were seeing.
I don’t watch Kimmel. Nothing particularly against him I’m just not that into late night shows. But the real test here will be whether he’s been gagged from specific topics and people.
If he doesn’t come out swinging by mentioning front-and-center how the president and corporation colluded to have him censored, then he still lost.
I suspect we’ll find out in his opening monologue.
My bet, he treats it like a victory lap, does a few innocuous jabs at “both sides”, drops one really sharp line seemingly off script, and then continues the show as if nothing happened. He will make fun of how awkward Trump was at the Kirk memorial, and make no mention of racism, bigotry, or fascism because that’s the deal they made.
And I can’t say I blame him. The gun isn’t to his head. It’s pointed at all of the people who work on the show and don’t have the political freedom that comes with being extremely rich.
The most reasonable take here honestly
None of this, not one iota, is about what we watch. I see person after person commenting “I don’t watch Kimmel, but…”
Frankly, it could have been censorship of a right wing show like Charlie Kirk and our response should be the same.
It’s not about our preferences. It’s about Freedom of Speech and the articles in the Bill of Rights.
Which is literally why I mentioned there is a real test here.
But you started with “I don’t watch Kimmel.” That is entirely irrelevant in this test.
I am not trying tobe difficult, but so many things online get turned into personal issues reflexively. This one is so huge that to minimize it to preference is to miss the point.
I get that’s not what you may be doing, however, the core institutions important to this country’s identity are right now being dismantled. It’s not about our preferences.
I am pretty sure they mentioned they don’t watch just to emphasize that it matters either way.
Did you read the entirety of what you replied to?
Yep. You explained to them, in a scolding manner, a point that they themselves already made. So I think if anyone didn’t read here, it’s you.
I’ll disagree that fascist speech and the foment of violence should be protected. I’m not cheering what happened to Kirk but not sad about it.
And that is your right.
I also agree with your position, but I believe in the right to speak freely even more vehemently.
“We didn’t know you’d be this mad”
I’ll be deeply disappointed if Kimmel apologizes for anything.
I hope he doubles down and calls all these fuckers out for the corruption happening
I hope Kimmel opens the return show with jokes that show Charlie the respect he is due (and no more). Give the FCC an example of obscenity for their textbooks.
It’s too late.
We know who you are.
So brave. So much backbone
