gotta love brownshirts doing brownshirt things
You don’t get a Nazi protest about your death if you’re a good person.
Huntington beach has had a neo-nazi problem for a long time. Decades.
What could possibly have been a nearby beacon?
It’s a roll call. They’re against whomever isn’t out there with them.
but all the right wingers on social media were saying that it’s so telling that there’s no riots when somebody on the right dies???
White men fight back against… a white man. good job there boys we got’em
guys, enough with the foreplay and kiss already
Fight back against what? Other white groypers?
Enable friendly fire and let them fight each other. That killer is one of their own.
Protests? You mean “race riots”
The way everything they say is dismissed is a big reason we are where we are.
Nazism should automatically be dismissed. There is no appeasing nazis. We literally had a world war over this.
Fascism doesn’t go away just because you don’t like it.
When have they ever been dismissed? They have unchecked dictatorial power.
Literally in this thread.
Oh nooo, not in a wittew intewnet thwead! So opwessed!
Did you actually think this was clever?
Do you actually think white supremicists don’t control every facet of government? Isn’t that….so massively more important than a comment thread on the internet?
Isn’t the inevitable heat death of the universe massively more important than whatever happens in government?
What the fuck does that have to do with white people “being dismissed”? Or are you just continuously pivoting away from the topic because you said completely indefensible bullshit?
If you shout hate and violence you should be dismissed. Gtfo here with that nonsense.
Exactly why we are here. You can’t effectively deal with something you don’t like by pretending it doesn’t exist. All you do is deafen yourself to the increasing volume.
The fuck is this Nazi apologia? What do you want? Do you want every one to hung and kiss them because they are just some misunderstood benigne souls? They are active making a choice to take the black pill and foment hate and intolerance.
I don’t know if you have looked around lately but there is literal gestapo running around black bagging anyone they think is an immigrant. There is an active genocide being perpetrated by the US. The president of the United States openly stated he will persecute all political dissidents. The rule or law and the right to a fair trail has no meaning anymore. I think these neo-nazis have already won.
Actually, giving them any fucking space to spew their hatred is exactly why we are here. The entire fucking democratic party (and all neo-liberal institutions ) would rather work with literal Nazis than support anyone to the left of them. Biden, Garland, Kamala etc are all complicit in why we are here today with the rise of Naziism.
Why did they make those choices? Are they simply defective humans from birth? Perhaps you think we should have black bagged them to prevent where we are now?
That’s my point. They were never NOT heard. They were constantly being boosted by billionaires and popular right wing figures. They made those choices because these figures were telling them to be mad at brown, black, trans and gay people instead of being made at the billionaires and right wing talking heads.
At the end of the day they made a choice to be hateful and intolerant.
In the face of an intolerant person, you can’t tell someone being oppressed by the intolerant to just hear them out. That’s insane.
Dialogue and understanding are not insane, they are the only peaceful path to grow together. Few people are genuinely horrible, most are ignorant or hurt or scared and reducing their entire life to ‘they chose this so fuck them’, while they have been indoctrinated since birth into right wing ideology is exactly part of the not understanding them. The normal rules of trauma, dogma and ignorance don’t stop being true when it gets hard and that same deafness is what helped make it as hard as it is today to reach them.
Neo NAZIs should not be legally allowed. Didn’t we fight a whole war about them.
unfortunately the nazis america never went away, they temporarily went away in EUROPE though.
I think people have a pretty distorted view of the cultural background of ww2: Folks were anti-Nazis because they were “the bad guys”, not because of their ideology. I mean, sure , a fair few people probably thought fascism was shit but the popular acrimony against Germany et al was not anti-fascist in essence. it was simply old-fashioned war and they were the enemy.
Just like all the racist jokes your shitty uncle made about Saddam in the 90s and/or 2000s
Not true, they didn’t like the Nazis for several reasons, most of them good but a few bad ones.
They did not like them because they were antidemocratic and banned free speech.
They didn’t like them because they murdered innocent people including women and children which offended their Christian values. (These are not the same types of Christians as the neochristan fascists):
They did not like Germany because they were overly militaristic, causing the other countries like Britain to have to spend a ton of money on their military.
Many people in America at that time we’re not as anti racist as in modern terms, but they did not like the level of racism that existed in Germany. They believed nonwhites to be inferior in ways, but they didn’t think they were inhuman. Hitler generally looked at these things like a math equation. To him he didn’t not believe in any religion or anything. He did not believe in any type of morality. It was all about a will to power, and so to him if he won then he won, simple as that, it didn’t matter who he killed or for what reason.
America was actually much more socialist at this time, and also Britain and France, even if they didn’t like communism. Not really because they thought it was socialist, but because they thought it was totalitarian and a mob movement run by ignorant people.
Also the right wing tries to coup the U.S government which soured their reputation among more patriotic and nationalistic politicians at the time. FDR was extremely popular. He called himself a progressive or new nationalists. I think Democrats held 90% of the house at that time. Socialism was very popular although FDR didn’t like calling himself a socialist because of its increasing association with communists who also called themselves socialists. He was essentially a social Democrat/ borderline democratic socialist.
Also everything the Nazis stood for was just extremely anti American. Yes there were dixkheads like Henry Ford and stuff who admire the Nazis and were very racist, but most Americans were not. The brisish at this time did not even understand American racism at all because they didn’t have it in the same way at the time. The empires were very multiethnic. They thought of these things as being cultural and not racial things. British people considered british culture to be superior to others, but they didn’t really extend this to race. Their racist ideas were more realistic. Slight differences between races but in reality it’s almost all nurture.
The only bad reason they were against them was because the Nazis were nationalists and didn’t want foreign companies in their economy. The British and Americans didn’t like this. They had extensive investments around the world. Germany didn’t really have an empire at this time. It is obviously good, at least to me anyways that the people and state of a country retain control of all its industry and natural resources. Foreign investment is usually bad unless you are one of the few people in the right wing puppet state or military who gets paid off to allow it to happen.
Oh those poor oppressed white men.
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Fight back against the white men who are killing the other white men?
They’re not interested in getting the message. The dog whistles went out a long time ago and there’s no calling them back.
Unless you’ve spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.
I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don’t even really encounter the “theory” that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but that can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a
NATOliberal lie machine that’s just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they’ve been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they’re getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they’re on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women’s sports and going into women’s bathrooms and saying they’re “transgender” and it’s a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.
It’s just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it’s all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. But they don’t really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don’t make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don’t hear much else.
And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we’re openly assassinating their heroes. And so why wouldn’t they fight “back”?
It’s just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it’s all true. Every word.
The reality is so much worse.
The great majority of them KNOW it’s not true, but pretend to “because fuck you, you can’t prove I don’t.”
I’ve talked with them. They think it’s true. The internet twats who are smart enough to know it’s basically lies but just enjoy the fact that they can play around and get people frustrated by arguing with them are the absolute upper echelon of educatedness. People who play around on the wider internet and are exposed to lots of conflicting points of view is the environment for you and me, but it is not where most of the January 6th people existed, intellectually.
Milton Sanford Mayer interviewed a bunch of people in Germany after the war, and except for one professor, none of them had any idea about the camps or much idea of anything the Nazis were up to. They just remembered that they liked Hitler because the country was unified and the economy was better, but then the allies started bombing them, and it was dangerous and their cities got ruined, and they didn’t like that. Mostly the mindset was “what the fuck how could they be so mean to us, we didn’t do anything.” I mean, what newspaper would they even read to find out anything different? We’re spoiled for choice in the modern world in terms of knowing more or less what’s going on, but that shit’s not automatic.
I have reliable intel that Saddam Hussein was behind this
They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.
I’m not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.
But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don’t conform to the group. That’s why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.
he isnt right enough for the groypers, they need to be nick fuentes right, not Charlie kirk right.
All of these takes are plausible, but it’s still just pure speculation. He’s not a clear indication of either side or sub-group, so until more definitive evidence comes out it only does more damage to make unfounded claims.
At this point, I don’t expect any more actual evidence to come out. There’s more than enough for the right to bang the drum about the left, even if it’s specious, and everyone surrounding the suspect has a vested interest in making sure that’s where the narrative goes.
If there was solid proof he was left-leaning, they would have blasted that out to the world already, so that’s pretty clear. However, I’m guessing they’ve already found indications he’s even farther right than CK, but are trying to not release that because that goes against their narrative. I don’t trust Kash Patel or Trump in the slightest.
