• tequinhu@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn’t have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process

    As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn’t a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive

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      1 month ago

      I said cheaters, not suspected cheaters. I know that’s unrealistic, because no anticheat software is perfect, but I still want it.

    • groet@feddit.org
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      1 month ago

      When you suspect someone of being highly dangerous you put them in jail even if they are not convicted yet. And when it turns out they are innocent they are released.

      A ban is like jail not like a death sentence …

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 month ago

        Not a bad analogy, but there is a major problem with pre-trial detention being abused in the US, leaving people in jail for years at a time without having a trial. So maybe not the best thing to compare it to.

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          1 month ago

          And you can contest the ban and potentially get it lifted and return to the same game.

    • xep@discuss.online
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      1 month ago

      You surely can permaban a cheater, and should. It doesn’t mean the process can’t be challenged.

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        1 month ago

        Consequence of sentencing the wrong person to death: You killed an innocent life in an irreversible action.

        Consequence of permabanning a player from an online game: The player can no longer play the game. The action is also reversible since “permaban” just means to say “we’re never unbanning you unless something extraordinary were to happen”.

    • skisnow@lemmy.ca
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      Yeah, I have a very thoroughly ingrained suspicion of anticheat stemming back to when I got banned many years ago from an online game for supposedly running a script.

      I had so much lag on my dialup connection, that a backlog of all my commands hit their server at the same time, so from their perspective it looked like I’d entered over a dozen commands in under a second. Insta ban, no appeal.

    • Joelk111@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      If, to you, not being able to play one game in the sea of many many many games is akin to death, maybe you need to see someone about addiction.

      If you cheat in a game, you’ve burned your bridge. It’s like taking a piss in the cereal isle of Kmart, you probably won’t be welcome in that Kmart any more. Or hey, maybe you’ll end up like an acquaintance I knew who was banned from a Kmart, maybe you’ll be hired on as staff without them checking the binder of banned people. I think I’ve lost the plot of this analogy.

    • Matriks404@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      In the worst case scenario offender can just create another Steam account, so permaban is fine.

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Meh, no process is perfect and sensitivity and specificity are often enemies. Basically, in a lot of cases the more sensitive you make a test to detect something, the more likely it is to accidentally catch false positives.

        Sounds like they’ve vastly improved it’s ability to detect, hopefully that didn’t come with false detections for people running unusual hardware or software combinations.

    • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      Bro touch grass. Seriously likening a VAC ban with the death penalty?! You can just email someone, if you’re on death penalty you can’t just phone the judge and ask him to recheck once you’re dead lmao

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        Judges should be using ouija boards to communicate with people killed by death penalty. “So you were guilty, right?” To make sure everyone gets a chance to appeal the decision.