I’m going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what’s right, what’s wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I’m an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.

What I have noticed though is there’s a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy’s pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I’ve seen it happen 3 times now so far.

°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.

°How does what’s going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?

°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?

I’m genuinely interested in what you all think

  • Ougie@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 days ago

    Lack of education breeds extremism. Kirk’s rhetoric is moronic and divisive. He made a living out of spreading hate and in that sense what he got was some old testament eye for an eye shit from a product of that rhetoric.

    His politics have caused the death of thousands of innocent people so I don’t care that he’s dead, but someone else will replace him. He was so successful because people are uneducated and thus easy prey of nazi simplistic logic.

    The bad thing is that assassinations like this are replacing political discourse. People don’t discuss any more, conversations are considered as confrontations, nobody is able to have an honest civilized exchange with people who hold opposing views.

    We here on lemmy are pretty much aligned, others are similarly aligned in some nazi platform somewhere and there is no ideological friction. Hell even here, when people read something they disagree with they just downvote like fucking morons instead of engaging in conversation.

  • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 days ago

    Charlie Kirk was a terrible human being. The world is better off without him. I don’t believe in Hell, but I hope I’m wrong.

    While it’s traumatic to lose a parent, his kids have the opportunity to be better off without him.

    The shooter is a terrible person. I’m glad he was so stupid that he confessed to his dad. It takes the spotlight off decent people. I don’t care what happens to him.

    Political violence sucks. It’s a terrible way to enact change, mainly because the most violent are typically the most unhinged, and then they take power afterward.

  • tryagain@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 days ago

    Even after learning the identity of the (alleged) shooter, I don’t think it matters one bit who killed him or why; he’s Horst Wessel now, a martyr for MAGA to spur their people on.

    Nothing good will come from any of this.

    Kirk was a piece of shit who got wealthy by spreading hatred. The ironic manner of his death was, for someone who despised him like I did, picture perfect, but it feels hollow knowing what’s coming next, and also…

    Kirk was a piece of shit but he didn’t deserve to be assassinated. Nobody does. I think I only realised this after I stopped laughing.

    Fuck, he was a piece of shit though.

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    msms is drum up sympathy for kirk more than it is necessary, despite him being almost unknown in MSM until a few days ago. MSM being owned by conservatives, need the supporters to continue the culture wars. in hindsigt MSM is giving kirk more attention than he deserves. whatever you call it hes being whitewashed in the media as a SAINT of america.

  • CrateredMoon@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 days ago

    Charlie Kirk is even worse than i realize. The truth is, i’ve done more to contribute to the well-being of conservatives than Charlie Kirk ever has… you know, just by working at warehouses and restaurants and shit.

    Seriously, fuck that guy. The world is better off without him.

    Charlie Kirk was a garbage person… we can mock that piece of shit all day just by pulling clips and quotes. Fuck that guy.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    3 days ago

    I’m with the majority’s utiliatarian ethics here: political assassinations are bad but dead nazi is the best kind of nazi. So overall event is net negative for humanity but not all parts of the sum are negatives if that makes sense.

    So I did celebrate the obituary but I’m aware this is likely bad for society as a whole.

  • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    3 days ago

    Political violence is always the last, worst option. Sometimes it’s the only option but that wasn’t the case here.

    Kirk was a pretty awful person, who profited from spreading hatred. He didn’t just have an opinion, he had an agenda.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    3 days ago

    there is no divide. it’s manufactured outrage to consolidate conservatives behind a singular movement and target their wrath at anything not on their side.

    Kirk was a fascist spreading ideological bigot. He didn’t deserve to die but nobody should be mourning his death but those who were closest to him.

    trust no one who uses the death of a man to propel themselves forward, for they have no honor or morals that direct them and you will soon find yourself a target for their next opportunity.

  • morphballganon@mtgzone.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    3 days ago

    You cannot take off the political hat when a side has decided to discard human rights. That side is WRONG. There can be no discussion on that. Every dispute entertained on that subject is another person dead, their life extinguished. Do YOU accept blame for the death of a person run over by bureaucracy, by capitalism, by systematic oppression? If the answer is no, then you have no right to even entertain a system that allows it.

  • asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    3 days ago

    This was a prime example of the phrase: “No humans involved”.

    Nazis killing other Nazis is ALWAYS a good thing, something to be celebrated joyfully by all rational people in the world. And doing it without any collateral damage is a huge bonus.

  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    3 days ago

    I hold the following opinions

    1. political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn’t create the intended effects.

    2. charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i’m glad he shut the fuck up.

    3. there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.

    4. his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don’t think about them at all.

  • Formfiller@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    3 days ago

    Feral Violent MAGA shooting their own guys is hilarious, I hope they turn on king pedo Marie Antoinette soon and tear him limb from limb in his 200 million dollar ballroom. That’s best case scenario. As far as decent people take care of yourselves, your families and your community. Get armed and prepare for the worst. I hope to see the entire Trump cabinet going through a Nuremberg trial. IF we get out of this without 70 million deaths like the ww2 we’d be lucky. fight against facism however you can. shun maga for the rest of their lives never forget they’re irredeemable nazis.