I’m going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what’s right, what’s wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I’m an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there’s a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy’s pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I’ve seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what’s going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I’m genuinely interested in what you all think
Killing is wrong, period.
Also, i won’t lose any sleep over his absence.
Dare i say… You reap what you sow?
Here’s a timeline to consider
Trump dined with Fuentes - the groyper king. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825
Kirk urged trump to release the files and everything https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
loomer (a groyper) says kirk is unloyal https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-laura-loomer/
I think these people publicly celebrating are being incredibly inconsiderate. I hate the guy just as much them, but the man has a wife, kids, and friends who are mourning. Have some empathy, respect them, and if you’re going to celebrate a man dying, do so in private.
It’s good entertainment.
As usual, morons on both sides of the fence miss the forest for the trees.
Charlie was a mouthpiece of the ruling class. His whole purpose was to sow division to distract the working class from how it’s being exploited by their rulers.
It’s good that he’s gone, because that’s one fewer distraction. It’s bad that people, on both sides, still don’t realize why it’s necessary for people like him to be gone.
We should also be aiming higher. The richer, the better.
I do think the very fact that he wasn’t so high up is probably a big contributor as to why people are so divided. I remember the sympathy for the United CEO being pretty much limited to talking heads and the other Billionaires.
We’re seeing much more vehement discussion on this one
The CEO was basically a nobody. A rich nobody, certainly, but a nobody. I didn’t know of his existence before he was killed, and I’m sure I’m in the same group as a majority of Americans and the rest of the world. Likewise, I don’t know how who replaced him. So why would there be division? You’ll get some objective, impersonal “He was a father and husband, this is terrible,” and some objective, somewhat more emotional “He made his money by refusing sick people care,” but there isn’t a lot of arguing because even though it was very real, it’s still in the realm of the hypothetical for most people. Even kids killed in a school half a world away is more real, and more emotional, for most people because they have kids, will have kids, or were a kid in a situation not too dissimilar, and it could have been them if not for their different circumstances.
I’m not divided. This is a republican on Republican crime. Fuck them, let them eat themselves for all I care.
You’re saying you have no one close to you who disagrees with you? Possibly someone who you were surprised to learn that about? I certainly see many people in a slightly different light now, I probably won’t stop being friends with them but it’s odd seeing them react a certain way
I’ve completely cut out any family that supports the Trump administration, personally. Fuck em. There’s no space in my life for bigots.
No I do not since my family is actually compassionate and care about people even if they are not from their group. You know empathy.
This is extremist eating extremist. Let them eat each other.
No one should feel bad or scared for the stupidity of the few, but yet people want us to show compassion to the folks that call people names and cry when the same gets thrown back.
The only people you hear calling for civil war and for destruction is the same people that are killing themselves.
Fuck them.
Since when are radicalized far left antifa supporters “republicans”?
You poor poor summer child who said he is far left? You don’t have to be a person on the left to hate fascist. In America we had a tradition of killing fascist it didn’t matter what side you were on, but I guess you forgot that.
The little groyper killed another republican. You are eating your own while we stare at you shaking our head. Oh well.
Republicans on Republican crime is interesting to watch. Let me know when a “lefty” kills another “lefty”.
Lol.
His friends did. His parents did. Literally everything we have found out about him does.
I see “groyper” is the word-of-the-week among the far left that you all just discovered to try and pretend your side wasn’t responsible for this vile, reprehensible act. You’re all sick in the head.
The statements from his friend have been retracted.
At this point, there is not enough conclusive evidence to determine the shooter’s beliefs. A lot of the evidence is contradictory and keeps getting retracted and overturned.
I personally don’t find the groyper narrative all that convincing, it seems like wishful thinking, but I don’t think it can be entirely ruled out yet.
Those of us who are politically active been aware of the movement for years. It’s absolutely not some new term.
It’s not like this kind of violence is exclusive to the left. While left-wing violence is real and shouldn’t be ignored, the claim that all violence is left-wing is simply not true.
The same day that Kirk was killed, a mass shooting happened in Colorado. The shooter was a neo-nazi. Charlie Kirk has been credited in at least one shooter’s manifesto.
Every time a far-right guy commits a mass shooting, your side claims that the shooter is a “lone wolf”. Why does this act of violence not get the same treatment?
Why is every single conservative mass shooting not related to the conservative media ecosystem?
Folks like Tucker Carlson, Libs of Tiktok, Matt Walsh, spread rhetoric far more violent than anything I’ve seen people on the left say in response this shooting.
People like that constantly dehumanize others. They openly call for minorities to be removed from society.
The tendencies you talk about are in no way exclusive to the left.
(To be clear, I do not condone the killing. It should not have happened. It’s sad that violence has been normalized in this country to this point)
They have not been retracted.
We know his beliefs. He had anti-fascist messages carved in the bullet casings. Does that sound like a conservative/republican? He lived with and seemingly was in a relationship with a trans identifying male. Doesn’t sound like a republican or conservative.
His own parents have confirmed multiple times that is not a republican, and is a “leftist”.
There comes a time when you guys just need to quit lying to yourself and admit that one of your guys did an evil, despicable thing because of the narrative and hate your side continues to spew. You’re just digging the hole deeper and deeper.
And as for your attempt to say that groyper isn’t the new “message” that the left have spread to try and pretend it’s not their fault:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Groyper&hl=en
Nice try, but no one is buying it.
Lol his dad just came out showing his ties to the maga movement lol.
Maga the party of no responsibility and protectors of pedos. Lol
I wonder who will be next of maga when maga attacks. Lol
Edit: breaking news he was passionate about neo-nazi stuff.
Not all republicans are neo-nazis but all neo-nazis are republican.
Literally none of what you just said is true lol. His friends and work colleagues have all said he is a leftist. His trans “girlfriend” simply existing means he’s not “MAGA”.
You guys are absolutely pathetic and insane. He was a far left radical. You all caused this.
I don’t personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I’m disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it’s rhe right’s fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that’s missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.
I mean, sure, it’s mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn’t pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let’s hope it stays that way.
I agree. This sort of violence should not be normalized.
I understand why some people feel the way they do, but I don’t think we want to set a precedent that murdering someone is fine, as long as you think their political actions are distasteful.
Change it to the middle of a forest with no one around for kilometers and that 1% might go a lot higher tho
A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.
The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn’t choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.
shot by one of his own people
Charlie Kirk was a radical far left supporter of “antifa”?
Charlie Kirk is even worse than i realize. The truth is, i’ve done more to contribute to the well-being of conservatives than Charlie Kirk ever has… you know, just by working at warehouses and restaurants and shit.
Seriously, fuck that guy. The world is better off without him.
Charlie Kirk was a garbage person… we can mock that piece of shit all day just by pulling clips and quotes. Fuck that guy.
I think the circumstances around his death were ironic - humourous even - but I don’t take any joy in politically motivated violence. When you respond to rhetoric you disagree with by being violent then you’ve lost the argument.
I’m with the majority’s utiliatarian ethics here: political assassinations are bad but dead nazi is the best kind of nazi. So overall event is net negative for humanity but not all parts of the sum are negatives if that makes sense.
So I did celebrate the obituary but I’m aware this is likely bad for society as a whole.
I’m not American, so this is an outside perspective I guess. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot, and it’s been interesting watching it all play out. Ring wing leap to assuming it was a leftist attack, with a huge amount of violent rhetoric; suspect arrested & turns out to be from conservative background; trickle of suggestions he might be further to the right of Kirk.
I’ve learned a new word: Groyper.
Meanwhile in the UK we’ve got a kind of fascism-lite going on, with a “socialist” party in charge that’s leaning to the right of Thatcher in order to attract the votes of bigots. There’s a massive right-wing rally going on in London right now, with a couple of anti-fascist, anti-racist counter protests as well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/sep/13/aerial-footage-shows-scale-of-unite-the-kingdom-rally-video
The shooter is confirmed to be “far left”, quit the bullshit.
God damn. You’re insufferable.
They killed the “lets talk it out guy”. They have no idea what theyve done
So what’re your thoughts now we know it was a far right extremist aka goyper who shot CK for not being far enough to the right?
Oh that’s right all you snivelling right wing lunatics crawled back under your rocks.
You guys need to stop spreading this bullshit. It was a young guy from a normal, good family who was radicalised by the far left. He was not far right or even middle.
You’re lying through your teeth to try and take responsibility off people exactly like yourself.
Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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Did you mean to post this three times?
Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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