My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?
There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page “documenting” human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.
Yogthos, Cowbee etc. have given very detailed answers below. From what I know, the things they said are mostly correct. However, one point to note is that a very small minority of Uyghur people, who were influenced by fundamentalist Wahhabi teachings, carried out terrorist attacks against non-Uyghur people in the 2010s. So there was an atmosphere of fear and suspicion against all the Uyghurs, and many innocent people were subjected to searches, arrests, and so on. This has been documented by the UN. Of course, this is not dissimilar to the way Muslims were treated in France or the US after terrorist attacks. In fact, representatives from Muslim countries who visited Xinjiang praised the government’s response, as it included a lot of job creation and infrastructure projects to turn people away from extremism.
So it was just that ? People were not forced to: change their religion, receive torture like their clothes taken off, or mass murder !? It was only annoying procedures like in Europe ?
Essentially yes, though some people were almost certainly subject to abuse by police while in custody, just not as a deliberate policy.
Doubtful. There were no credible reports.
Yeah police and generally known to not ever abuse power, particularly against minorities.
Yeah western media are generally known to not ever spread atrocity propaganda, particularly against China.
My dear, I’m just saying the police are universally the abusers of the working class, and even more of of minorities. Your claims that it has to be otherwise because you simp to this particular regime are at best as informed as said media.
Darling, the police of a Socialist state are not equivalent to the police of capitalists. They have completely different motivations. Police under capitalism exist to protect private property and nothing else. The function of the police in a worker’s state is the same as in that of a bourgeois state: enforcing the class interest of the ruling class. The difference lies in who constitutes the ruling class.
My dearest. I had a close familly member tortured for months for participating in the anti-nazi underground, by a communist state. I had my father beaten up number of times for participating in a trade union by a socialist state. And I can show you the same socialist state riding tanks over and firing on strikig miners. For the working class there is no difference which regime the police follows. They will always protect the elites against the masses.
Oh, and if you haven’t been; China is as much a capitalist state as any other. Slightly more steered market, less civic freedoms, but not significantly different, only the elites are called “the party”. Thats how you go about buisnesses, it’s not some alumni club or sect, you join the party for that and repeat the slongas while going about with the exploitation. Working class still works itself to death in miserable conditions, the elites still get disproportionate benefits. But yeah there will be a red flag in front of a international bank.
They did have their culture/religion repressed; not in totality but many practices are disallowed or only conditionally allowed. Many innocents are compelled to attend re-education centers that may in some cases restrict certain religious practices.
It’s bad, in the way stop-and-frisk, racial profiling, or ten commandments schools are bad; it’s not Auschwitz, in fact the camps and prisons the US sends people to are far closer to that level of depravity. The bickering you often see online about whether it’s “genocide” is sometimes from a bad faith bombastic comparison to Nazi Germany usually rooted in misinformation (Thai BDSM clubs were once photographed and claimed to be “Uighur torture facility”; another photo of a bunch of Uighurs sitting in chairs had the chairs cropped out to make it look like they were forced to sit on the ground, just a couple examples), but other times it’s based on the argument that what is being done functionally constitutes a cultural genocide which I personally think is worthy of discussion.
There were no re-education centres. That’s a sinophobic trope. There were vocational training centres. That’s all.
Also, the declarations of genocide are political. Based only on a few Uyghur women who travelled to UK, and who reported being sterile after having 4+ kids. Autonomous Uyghur/Xinxiang region has been exempt from China’s one child policy, but there may have been sterility programs for excessive children.
Xinxiang prosperity has kept up/exceeded with China’s provincial average since 2014. It’s by far the most humane response to terrorism in human history.
As far as I know, no one was forced to change their religion (Uyghurs aren’t even the biggest Muslim group in China, that’s the Hui) and there was no mass murder. I believe some innocent people who were wrongly suspected of being terrorists were strip-searched, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.
The only thing is that you cannot give to children Islamic names, for example, you cannot call your son Muhammad.
huh !? source ? Also isn’t that like a big thing, like China literally blaming Islam itself for the attacks ? also what are the attacks called so I can search for them?
I don’t know the truth, I will provide you the relevant information, you will decide.
Some non-paywalled sources are:
Some paywalled ones are:
The answer by DeepSeek is:
The most interesting answer is the one by ChatGPT:
Automatic discounting of anything you’re saying because of use of LLM slop. Jesus fucking Christ dude, why are you coming into a situation where people are looking for clarity and feeding them garbage from the Hallucination Machine? Be better.
Large Language Models (LLMs) aren’t truth machines. They’re garbage in, garbage out. The input to English-language models is largely English-language texts from Five Eyes countries, with all the disinformation and bias that that entails. This is an especially poor topic to engage LLMs with.
That’s right. I actually asked to the LLMs in Chinese and then translated the results.
Since I don’t read or speak Chinese, I have to use workarounds like this to access that knowledge.
They are never truth machines, the input language won’t change that.