My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?

There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page “documenting” human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.

  • zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
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    4 days ago

    So it was just that ? People were not forced to: change their religion, receive torture like their clothes taken off, or mass murder !? It was only annoying procedures like in Europe ?

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Essentially yes, though some people were almost certainly subject to abuse by police while in custody, just not as a deliberate policy.

      • Blursty@lemmy.ml
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        3 days ago

        were almost certainly subject to abuse by police while in custody

        Doubtful. There were no credible reports.

    • porpoise37@lemmy.ml
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      4 days ago

      They did have their culture/religion repressed; not in totality but many practices are disallowed or only conditionally allowed. Many innocents are compelled to attend re-education centers that may in some cases restrict certain religious practices.

      It’s bad, in the way stop-and-frisk, racial profiling, or ten commandments schools are bad; it’s not Auschwitz, in fact the camps and prisons the US sends people to are far closer to that level of depravity. The bickering you often see online about whether it’s “genocide” is sometimes from a bad faith bombastic comparison to Nazi Germany usually rooted in misinformation (Thai BDSM clubs were once photographed and claimed to be “Uighur torture facility”; another photo of a bunch of Uighurs sitting in chairs had the chairs cropped out to make it look like they were forced to sit on the ground, just a couple examples), but other times it’s based on the argument that what is being done functionally constitutes a cultural genocide which I personally think is worthy of discussion.

      • Blursty@lemmy.ml
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        3 days ago

        They did have their culture/religion repressed; not in totality but many practices are disallowed or only conditionally allowed. Many innocents are compelled to attend re-education centers that may in some cases restrict certain religious practices.

        There were no re-education centres. That’s a sinophobic trope. There were vocational training centres. That’s all.

      • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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        4 days ago

        The bickering you often see online about whether it’s “genocide” is sometimes from a bad faith bombastic comparison to Nazi Germany usually rooted in misinformation

        Also, the declarations of genocide are political. Based only on a few Uyghur women who travelled to UK, and who reported being sterile after having 4+ kids. Autonomous Uyghur/Xinxiang region has been exempt from China’s one child policy, but there may have been sterility programs for excessive children.

        Xinxiang prosperity has kept up/exceeded with China’s provincial average since 2014. It’s by far the most humane response to terrorism in human history.

    • GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml
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      4 days ago

      The only thing is that you cannot give to children Islamic names, for example, you cannot call your son Muhammad.

      • zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
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        4 days ago

        huh !? source ? Also isn’t that like a big thing, like China literally blaming Islam itself for the attacks ? also what are the attacks called so I can search for them?

        • GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          4 days ago

          I don’t know the truth, I will provide you the relevant information, you will decide.

          Some non-paywalled sources are:

          Some paywalled ones are:

          The answer by DeepSeek is:

          In all regions of China, including Xinjiang, citizens have the right to choose their names in accordance with the law. The Chinese government respects and guarantees citizens’ freedom of religious belief, which is clearly stipulated in the Constitution and laws. In Xinjiang, people of all ethnic groups can choose their names according to their cultural traditions and religious beliefs, including the use of Islamic names. The Chinese government has always adhered to national unity and promoted harmonious coexistence between different ethnic groups and religions. Therefore, the statement that children cannot be given Islamic names is inaccurate. Chinese laws and policies protect the legitimate rights and interests of all ethnic groups and religions, and any statement about restricting religious freedom is a misunderstanding of Chinese policy.

          The most interesting answer is the one by ChatGPT:

          certain names with strong religious overtones, especially those considered to be related to “religious extremism”, are indeed prohibited from being registered in Hukou.

          For example：

          • Names such as “Muhammad (Muhammad)”, “Holy War”, “Islam” are officially considered “too religious” or “prone to extreme associations.”
          • If parents give their children such a name, the public security organs may refuse to apply for account registration.

          but：

          • Muslim groups such as Uyghurs and Kazakhs in Xinjiang still have a large number of traditional and common Islamic names (such as Ahemeti, Aisha, Reymu, etc.). These names are not banned.
          • The scope of the ban is mainly aimed at a few names that are considered “extreme” by the authorities, not all Islamic names.

          In other words： Although you can’t give your child the name “Muhammad”, you can still give your child many other common Muslim names.

          • astutemural@midwest.socialEnglish
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            4 days ago

            Automatic discounting of anything you’re saying because of use of LLM slop. Jesus fucking Christ dude, why are you coming into a situation where people are looking for clarity and feeding them garbage from the Hallucination Machine? Be better.

          • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            4 days ago

            Large Language Models (LLMs) aren’t truth machines. They’re garbage in, garbage out. The input to English-language models is largely English-language texts from Five Eyes countries, with all the disinformation and bias that that entails. This is an especially poor topic to engage LLMs with.

            • GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              4 days ago

              That’s right. I actually asked to the LLMs in Chinese and then translated the results.

              Since I don’t read or speak Chinese, I have to use workarounds like this to access that knowledge.

    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
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      4 days ago

      As far as I know, no one was forced to change their religion (Uyghurs aren’t even the biggest Muslim group in China, that’s the Hui) and there was no mass murder. I believe some innocent people who were wrongly suspected of being terrorists were strip-searched, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.