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People gotta stop watching slop. But it seems impossible to get people to stop using tiktok, twitter, instagram, et al. They just don’t care enough.
AI slop often slips into your recommendations without you even knowing it until you watch the video and are aware of the tells. I’ve had to scrutinize so many channels and remind the algorithm to not recommend said channel to sway it in the right direction. It’s been so demanding sometimes but now I’m getting smaller niche channels that actually have a sole.
All YouTube is nowadays is pretty much slop. AI voiceovers and horrible videos of “people” pretending to be normal and real.
Recently my parents showed me some stuff they saw on Facebook. It was all just AI slop, rage bait, advertisements. Seriously, there was barely anything useful on it. They were very avoidant of acknowledging it tho. “But there’s also fun stuff on it”. They were constantly wondering whether what they were reading was real, yet it did plant seeds in their brains. It’s even influencing their politics, I had to have a whole discussion with them (traditionally centre left voters) about how our left wing parties didn’t want to let an unstoppable horde of immigrants into our country. And why voting for a centre right guy because “he looks pretty competent” will also fuck with poor people and important topics like abortion.
Gotta love when the Internet calls 80’s kids boomers 😅 and no it was never a utopia but it was our fucked up times, and no one else’s.
My take on boomerifying is getting other generations to behave like the stereotypical boomer, not that they are actual boomers by birthday.
That’s my headline of the day
It’s all real here, no filters, no screens.
… said the AI.
Fuck I hate that garbage. The 80’s were amazing. We don’t need new tech ruining that memory.
I may have been one of the lucky. With all it’s warts, the 80’s, for many young people, were a banger. Sort of the final bang of the 60’s and 70’s. Perfect? Nowhere near, but the music, social, artistic, and so many other aspects, were pretty damn cool, and for the young crowd it was mainly what mattered. Things like the fall of the Berlin wall, the perceived end of the end of the cold war and the nuclear Armageddon threat gave us a sense of optimism. Looking back there are things, like the Reagan/Thatcher tandem, that were setting the stage to the neo-liberal clusterfuck we live in, but our focus was elsewhere.
I fucking loved it in the 80’s. Yeah, the music, the films… so good. The politics were crap as it usually is. And I’ll say that even with the latest admin being wait it is, diversity has come a long way- but the 80’s were an oasis for me.
I remember it bitter-sweetly. We can never have that again.
It honestly fits tho. It was an era of rising neoliberalism and technology, establishing the cyberpunk critique of the world we’re currently living.
Non AI videos:
Awesome Oregon in the 70s:
Awesome Oregon in the 80s:
Awesome Oregon now:
Heavy Metal Parking Lot:
So many Trans Ams and Firebirds… LOL.
I have a dream!
That’s based on tropes from an era we’ve already lived through.
We need to work together!
To to backwards.
Dare to dream. Be somebody.
Be somebody
*in debt
yeah! let’s go back to a time when gas was $12 a gallon. where women had two jobs, making babies and making dinner. where teen pregnancy was at its highest ever. where the government fueled a drug and arms war in South America. where the constant threat of thermonuclear war was banging on the iron dome every single day.
yeah…sounds like a fuckin blast from the past. fuckin rad.
I can’t tell if the joke is that now is just back then, but again.
Dont forget the insane racism and misogyny and HOMOPHOBIA on another level. It made news when someone shook a gay guys hand. And the good ol death by AIDS sweeping the nation. The horrific parenting that led to PSA asking if they know where their kids are. The fucking unsolved kidnappings. The escalators that didn’t have emergency stops and would choke you to death on your own shoelace.
Still better than the current full steam ahead into fascism.
woosh
I think you might have been too young to remember the Regan years.
not nearly as tumultuous as today, but certainly similar in spirit.
I might be old, but I have not forgotten him. He is one of the root causes for what is currently happening in the US.
People tend to filter out the bad memories, like the fact that crackheads were breaking into cars constantly, making it nearly impossible to have a decent car stereo. They started making them that you could pull out, and take into the house. It was common to see cars parked on the street with a sign that said “No Valuables in car.”
The crime rates in America in the 80s were through the roof. It wasn’t until the earl/mid 90s that they dropped.
Reagan/Thatcher is the reason why “moderate left wing” nowadays means “liberalism” instead of “social democracy”, and even most so called social democrats nowadays act like liberals instead.
And now the christofascists want to have their “Blair Labour” moment on social issues, and I’m afraid they’ve mostly succeeded that with “Starmer Labour”. They want a world, where there’s no real alternatives to “hard conservatism” (fascism).
where the constant threat of thermonuclear war was banging on the iron dome every single day.
That’s good. Memento mori, carpe diem.
Reminds me of all those stupid “cyberpunk 1994, office nights 1998” ai slop playlists on YouTube. They all have a common theme: they don’t represent or even remotely sound like the kind of music from the year they claim to take you back to. and the tracks, if one can call them that, are the same repetitive, thoughtless rhythms. If you go to YouTube to find some background music to listen to, these kinds of uploads dominate the search results today. And it’s all D-tier shit.
I was born in '79. I know a lot of 1980s/1990s stuff that’s floating in popular consciousness right now is fictional romanticised bullshit, because it’s based on romaticised fiction made in that era.
For example, I knew most kids didn’t hang out at The Mall. I was a kid. We didn’t have a goddamn mall. American movies and TV showed kids hanging out at The Mall. Maybe hanging out at the Mall was an aspirational thing. Or something.
It’s a thing that happened for some people but it’s not the entire truth about the era. It’s not just that people tend to remember the good bits, they tend to remember the good bits that happened to someone else.
There’s a reason why nobody makes AI slop about the Finnish 1990s banking crisis and its wide systemic repercussions felt to this day. Edit: Sorry if none of this makes sense, just ate something other than cheap potatoes for the first time in a week
One of my most vivid memories of the 80s was that bullying was absolutely rampant and no one did anything about it. Parents then were just like, “It’s part of growing up!”
Bullying from all sides with adults taking part in ways no different than the children. Made me wonder if they whole ‘respect your elders’ made any fucking sense.
Wouldn’t call it rampant.
Didn’t really cause a dent on that generation either.He is talking about his own experience, not for the whole generation
Then maybe they should choose their words more carefully, because that is not what their words portray
It was rampant where I grew up.
That’s the thing about this. We lived through the 80s and know what it smells like, so this isn’t aimed at us. It’s all the kids who are into Stranger Things and they like with their weird Instagram Filter take on the decade.
Finnish 1990s banking crisis
I was curious and I came back with a Wikipedia link for everyone else.
I’ve said for a while that WW3 will start because of a meme. But now I feel like WW3 will start because of a band AI video taken seriously by the boomers.
80s nostalgia ai slop to relive memories? 😴
80s nostalgia to relive memories by looking at vhsrips of 80s home videos and media? 😎👉👉
This all or nothing, either or bullshit needs to stop being perpetuated. It is why we have such an inured two party system that effectively makes their followers dance each election.
The tactic here is exactly the one used by Jordan Peterson, mixing truth with garbage for the sake of manipulating an audience into his way of thinking. And it works.
We did stay out in groups of friends, face to face, until it was dark out. We also used destinations like malls, pizza places, and water as an excuse to do so. Cars were a big deal, a means to get there without parents. Summertime involved backyard bonfires in states without burn bans. Uninvited friends and neighbors would randomly show up. Being occupied socially sometimes meant sitting with other people saying nothing, a little bored, doing nothing other than sitting in a room with others, sometimes listening to uninteresting people or TV. But that was ok because you were with friends, spending time.
The reality is there are brain changes due to screens and the invasive format of the “short”. Literal re-writing at the level of how neurons talk to each other. Shortened attention spans. Increased anxiety. Increased impatience. Inability to focus. Worse, inability to go all in on a single point of focus, for hours to create, produce, invent, or simply develop thinking skills. Increased anxiety and lack of coping in interpersonal, not even relationships, but interaction such that this idea of sitting around with groups of people, deliberately, as a way to use free time appears weird and fictional.
That said, the world wasn’t necessarily better. Just watching Wills mom on Stranger Things trying to make a phone call when her phone burned out was painful. It is nice to have a map with a “You Are Here” star wherever you go. No more perpetual cloud of cigarette smoke with all white walls and decor perpetually stained beige or yellow with nicotine sludge from cigarettes. Women’s lib had (past tense) made more progress away from rape culture and towards reproductive freedom. Less racism. And so on.
Articles like these, similar to political pundits, seek to muddy what is true by using truth to spread lies.
Gods thank you. If lemmy is any indication of youth culture and beliefs and attitudes, fuck me. (Am middle-aged with mostly 20-something friends, they are not like y’all.)
Freaks the shit out of me how scared young people are of simple social interaction. “LOL, I’m too autistic to answer the phone!” Yeah, well there are reasons we no longer want to do so, but y’all are NOT all autistic and ADHD. “Hate talking to a cashier.” Fuck is wrong with you?! I want to scream, “You’re not autistic for being socially uncomfortable you wuss! That’s a normal part of growing up!”
Fuck me, thought I had a handle on it from my junior year until I went to college, BAM!, like puberty all over again. And then the same damned anxiety hit in my late 20s! “Welp. Guess I gotta do this every 7 years or so.” We had words for this: “Growing up.” It can suck, but we all have to do it. Get the fuck over yourself, you are not special or strange or different. The horror may be, you are normal.
And yes, anyone trying to mix us up, make us see through rose-tinted glasses, is a liar with something to sell. And anyone trying to make the past into a hellscape is at best ignorant, wasn’t there.
It’s more than that, the anxiety and lack of practice in real, that includes the awful, social encounters growing up creates an environment in which those kids, now adults, have incredible anxiety for social engagement. It’s almost like we created our own Black Mirror world by putting a screen buffer up in front of our children’s faces starting as early as 2yrs.
Helicoptering. Planning the child’s week to enrich them, scheduling play dates with no organic initiative by the child, and inadvertently dictating a script so when that ordered script and mommy umbrella are torn away at college, near panic level anxiety hits. And why wouldn’t it? No practice at deciding for oneself or engaging with real people with the full range of normal human emotions. No chaperoned play dates or protections by mommy when a bad grade happens any more.
But there is a haze right now of sorting out true ADHD from the lack of focus and attention fostered by screens. Which we do want to do, because it’s still reparable if we can start on therapeutic work no later than the early 20s.
Again, yes, with social anxiety being confused with autism. Same deal.
Of course both autism and ADHD are very real, which of course I need to spell out in no uncertain terms because this is Lemmy, but the upbringing of the latest crop of kids also, at the same time, can foster symptoms of both and that needs to be sorted through. It’s not right or healthy to assume either way on this one.
This all or nothing, either or bullshit needs to stop being perpetuated. It is why we have such an inured two party system that effectively makes their followers dance each election.
Yeah, this, ahem, is strengthened by this:
The reality is there are brain changes due to screens and the invasive format of the “short”. Literal re-writing at the level of how neurons talk to each other. Shortened attention spans. Increased anxiety. Increased impatience. Inability to focus. Worse, inability to go all in on a single point of focus, for hours to create, produce, invent, or simply develop thinking skills. Increased anxiety and lack of coping in interpersonal, not even relationships, but interaction such that this idea of sitting around with groups of people, deliberately, as a way to use free time appears weird and fictional.
Because you have a dopamine farming machine that goes as good as it can, why do an activity where nobody’s even trying to compete with it?
And I hate to say it, but being autistic I’m more, not less, vulnerable to said machine. Willpower.
So - there are similar extremely optimized dopamine farming machines everywhere looking nicer than some truths around. Instead of continuing to write a program to do what I’m dreaming of, or at least find tooling, I can argue in a TG chat about whatever. Instead of going to a friend group meeting I can sit all day playing video games. Between going for a walk I can read things I don’t need. Or comment on Lemmy.
When everyone is used to picking a glossy advertised easy way over more real and dimmer one, it also reinforces “all or nothing” thinking.
what confuses me the most about these videos is the call to action. go back? that’s not how time works!
Anyone who actually knew a damn thing would want to stop right at 2015 abd stay there forever
There’s a lot to be said for the late 90’s. Post Cold War, but pre 9/11.
It’s not perfect for everyone, especially if you’re LGBT+, but it’s got a lot going for it.
In 2015 I actually thought the world was going to get better. Haha what an idiot I was.
2012 was pretty much peak imo. Cant really think of anything after that thats worth saving. Guess the mayans were kinda right after all. Smartphones had come out and evolved into something decent but weren’t terrible yet, facebook was still kinda useful and not a propaganda cesspit, google would give you useful results, reddit was full of unique and interesting information. Tv and movies were really hitting their stride with some of the most bou dary pushing original tv series and movies hadn’t all devolved to remakes and superhero rehashes, global warming was bad but people seemed concerned about it and it wasnt past the point of no return yet, youtube didnt shove a million ads down your face. Netflix was streaming content but didnt have any competitors buying up rights yet, spotify was fairly new and revolutionary still, forums still existed for all sorts of niche interests, ads werent completely pervasive everywhere, google wasn’t an evil monopoly sucking up everyones data, memes were still fresh and original, gaming pretty much hit its pinnacle of graphical fidelity relative to performance costs, you could order awesome drugs off the internet unregulated (not even just the dark web, research chemicals were fucking great and hadnt started to be banned yet). Idk i could go on and on but literally everything felt like it got worse from there. I didnt even touch on productivity or the economy but it still felt like a bit of a boom in the wake of the rebound from 2008. If im missing anything good that happened post 2012 please let me know.
You read like my poster^(And both are right)
My poster:
Obergefell was in 2015 I believe
September 2016, so we’d have finished existance off with the summer of Pokemon GO
Boomerfying
That’s a scary word.
It is, but didn’t genX own the 80’s?
They were 20 year olds, they didn’t own shit
Pop culture of the 80s was defined by genX, so any nostalgia for that time would be catering to them.
I’m losing my edge to the art-school Brooklynites in little jackets and borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered eighties
