Proud owner of a tubal litigation here
I’m genuinely afraid to get vasectomy, thinking “this is just a phase and l might change my mind later”
I suffer post vasectomy pain syndrome that comes and goes randomly over the pass of months, and still, it worth.
I wish I could feel comfortable bringing children into the world.
I really want to be a parent in my life
I mean you’re half right. In a zoo, the keepers care for their animals, making sure they’re well fed, enriched, and healthy.
We’re being farmed. They are using us to make money from our produce (labour). They’re using us to make money. We’re so over exploited we simply cannot afford to have children.
A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation…
Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilised society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce.
The liberal reward of labour, by enabling them to provide better for their children, and consequently to bring up a greater number, naturally tends to widen and extend those limits. It deserves to be remarked, too, that it necessarily does this as nearly as possible in the proportion which the demand for labour requires. If this demand is continually increasing, the reward of labour must necessarily encourage in such a manner the marriage and multiplication of labourers, as may enable them to supply that continually increasing demand by a continually increasing population.
- Adam Smith, the father of capitalism
They hate Smith almost as much as Marx
The birth rate moral panic is 100% manufactured by neoliberal capitalists who simultaneously want high consumption and low wages, which is a logical impossibilty. You cannot have a consumerist society where the average consumer lives paycheck to paycheck
If it’s neoliberalism, why is the right always clamouring about it? I think you are misguided on your aim my friend. You are also right, the time of us having things and enjoying our leisure are in the process of being erased for the good old days of company towns and food lines.
The “right” shy of outright fascists are neoliberals. The term was coined in the eighties and describes a system that like Liberalism classic works primarily off of an idea of a protected class of citizen (as opposed to lesser protected classes of non-citizen) with a series of fundemental “rights” to basic protected freedoms from government interference and choice of “style of life” based around a personal property centric system.
Where Neo-liberalism differs is it detests the welfare state, seeks widespread government deregulation as they see it as an economic deficit, practice widespread government austerity in public programs and seeks to privatize swaths of government services to create new market sectors.
Neo doesn’t mean new in a “of the minute” kind of way. The people who came up with the distinction between liberal branches were describing the likes of Ronald Regan and Margret Thatcher.
I beg to differ; you can definitely have that society; proof is: we are currently living in it!
I don’t want to bring kids in this world that will inevitably grow up with a father when I take out all my frustration and grievances on members of the ruling class.
They’re gonna wish I used a guillotine.
I love this person’s glasses.
Ok. But what is the mouth
Frames like that are excellent birth control.
Nah, those frames are awesome.
idk im kinda into it
im not spending a fortune to raise a child when i can barely afford eggs
Don’t worry when they get desperate enough they’ll make condoms illegal
Nice humblebrag I guess, I’m beginning to forget what eggs even taste like
The math has changed.
100 years ago, you’d get kids so you can afford eggs.
Yeah, then child labor laws came and ruined that for everyone.
But don’t worry, soon those too will be a thing of the past!
This, but also retirement being a thing.
100 years ago, kids were much less of an investment than today (they’d start pulling their own financial weight at like age 6-12, not at age 20-30 like today) and they’d be the only thing making the difference between being able to retire to one of your kids’ home or the poor house.
Nowadays kids take much more money and time to get ready, and if you have no kids you can still retire and have your retirement financed by other peoples’ kids. And then you even get to keep all the money you would have spent on getting your kids ready for the world, and you can spend it on yourself.
Financially speaking, having kids used to be a necessity and now it’s a pretty bad choice.
if you have no kids you can still retire and have your retirement financed by other peoples’ kids.
Don’t worry. They are working on getting rid of this.
I would kill for a family. I’ll die alone, I’ve accepted that. I understand that im unconventional and weird, I just wish I could meet someone that reflected that. But it’s just not in the cards for a man like myself. So ill die surrounded by my animals and hopefully they’ll consume my flesh so I can become Jesus 2.0 but with animals
You and me both sis
I’m sure your half orange (or was it apple) is out there somewhere, and hope eventually you’ll find them.
Except if you’re follower of one of those toxic masculinity thing. In that case you’re likely looking in the wrong place, because if you hate women your soul mate is someone else from your cult - you love guys like you but didn’t realise it yet. Also go f yourself.
Wtf was this comment lmao
EDIT: Just noticed his username
Born in 84, I’ve noticed something of a trend in my area. Late gen X and late millennials are having children, most are having two or three, but a lot of people like me born in the mid 80’s aren’t. While this is by no means universal, there does seem to be more people within five years of my age going without kids.
I want biological kids, and I’m right about the point in my life where it would make the most sense to have them. But whenever family asks about it, I tell them I’m not raising children in this kind of administration. They try to suggest that it’s not that bad and I stand firm that they’re not seeing grandbabies until the government stops being so fashy.
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage, see what’s more important to them.
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage
Given how many kids are in some combination of foster systems, detention centers, corrections programs, or concentration camps, maybe millennials need to start finding the actual babies and liberating them.
Women have a biological clock on them, makes no sense waiting for different admin.
I directly know multiple people who had to get what were effectively late term abortions due to pregnancy complications that would’ve put their lives at risk otherwise. We don’t live in the US, so they were fortunate to be able to get the medical care they needed, but it underscores the scariness of the situation in the US; these risks mean that becoming pregnant in the wrong place could literally be a life or death matter. If treatment is received, even people who experience severe complications may be able to have a successful pregnancy in future. Not having access to these things risks breaking the biological clock anyway, so waiting is not unreasonable.
Not disagreeing with your point, but women can have children until menopause. It gets riskier and harder but not as much as most people commonly believe. “Biological clock” is a largely made up concept.
The biological clock exists, and it is real. But it ends at a time where no reasonable person should seriously consider having a first child.
For most women menopause starts around 45 and the last period happens around 49-55. That’s the hard limit.
Between 30-45 having kids is most often possible, though it’s getting more difficult and the chance for things like trisomy 21 is increasing exponentially with increasing age.
Isn’t menopause the clock?
Pretty sure when people use that term they’re not thinking “I can usually have a baby at 55”.
I’m trying to get pregnant, but it’s kinda hard when you’re a guy. I won’t stop trying, tho. 🫡
Slay,
queenking!queing?
Arnold Schwarzenegger did it, so can you 👍
Nothing is impossible.
Auto-insemination?
Full auto.
Hey, no full auto in the womb bro.
Never give up 💪
On a more positive note the newest IPCC report on climate has population decline being the biggest positive impact on climate change, so keep at it!
A friend of mine has three kids and works 70 hours a week. He is not able to make enough to support his family, and social services have been cut so much that his only option is to take out a personal loan, which will only make his problem worse.
In the USA? If yes, the US is a sick country in regard to income distribution, labor laws, healthcare and public services. However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.
However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.
Yeah those kids deserve to be neglected! Fuck em!
I don’t think children should suffer regardless of who their parents voted for, I find your callousness as bad as bad as those that voted for Trump.
However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy
It’s so bizarre to see liberal politician after liberal politician promise economic reforms common to the rest of the industrial world, then fail to deliver over and over again.
And then someone sees a ghoul like Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden running at the top of the ticket, or an American Psycho like Newsom or Adams or Cuomo trying to hijack any semblance of progressive politics for their own vainglory. And they say “Nope, not supporting that garbage”.
Then everything that comes after is on their heads, somehow.
Not on the heads of the trillionaire plutocrats setting economic policy. Or military leadership goading us into the next war. Or evangelical hucksters selling snake oil to desperate people.
Nope. Always the fault of Joe Dirt when Obama can’t win his third term.
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day. That’s barely enough to just eat and maybe relax but then if you have 3 kids even that time is gone taking care of them. How and why would anyone put themselves through this, like after the first or second kid wouldn’t your own limits become apparent
Some people find themselves in places where they lack the choice to limit themselves to two children when an accident happens. Not everyone has the resources to travel to a place where they would be able to make a choice.
What, are you using the word places as a metaphor or literally, cause I’ve never heard of a location where you have to have more kids than you can afford, other than maybe villages where kids are seen as free labor
abortions are becoming increasingly illegal
Currently, in the US there are States were you can get an abortion and States were you cant. So, if you have an unplanned pregnancy you are kind of fucked.
Oh yeah I forgot about that, that is messed up, I hope this period of madness ends soon and we can get some normalcy back
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day
You’ve misspelled “commute”
Yeah didn’t think about that but that’s probably another 2 hours of energy spent on driving, because everything is spread out and there’s no good public transportation options outside of specific areas
