Hell atheist make God in their own image. I see so many atheist biblical scholars insist that Jesus believed the same thing they do. Compare Erhman’s pacifist politics to the politics he claims Jesus stood for. Despite the historical Jesus, assuming he existed, being a Messianic Jew who would have known that the kingdom of heaven was coming through blood.
I read an atheist scholar on Greek who insisted that the historical Jesus was trying to introduce Greek thought into Judaism. Despite the fact that the historical Jesus would have been illiterate and living in a culture with strict taboos against learning anything Greek. And it’s far more likely that Greek writers later on inserted that stuff in.
I agree but not sure what I am supposed to do. I pointed out that even people who claim to not believe in Jesus being the son of God still build Jesus in their own image. The same way people who do believe he was the son of God.
The first real Mythicist pointed this out. Once you fall under the sway of Jesus you just can’t ever seem to break free.
Ok so it’s your opinion. I have many opinions of my own.
there was a plain old mortal human being who was named ‘Jesus Christ’
Christ is a title not a name. Jesus was not the son of Mr. and Mrs. Christ. It is Greek and means “annoited one”. Coming from the traditions of the area of putting holy oil on the new king.
then when he was killed for being inconvenient to those in power at the time,
Why? No this isnt a flippant question. People who advocate for paying taxes, not starting drama, giving charity to poor people, non-violence, and respecting authority aren’t killed for it. Conduct the experiment yourself. Go to your local city hall and stand up there then give a speech about what he said. See what the powers-that-be do to you. “Hey everyone pay your taxes, listen to your government, if someone is poor try to help them out, dont start drama by cheating with your neighbor’s wife, and violence isnt the answer”. Even fucking North Korea gives awards out for charity work. Why the hell would the historical blood thirsty thing that Pilot was kill a person for telling people that they should be good servants to him?
If Jesus existed Pilot would have showered medals on the guy. Here was a guy walking around a province that was rebelling all the time telling people to respect the government and never be violent. Jesus would have been exactly the kind of man Rome wanted. A Jewish guy who could attract large crowds and tell them all to follow orders.
If you say he didn’t say these things, that the Gospel writers made it up later, I would ask you how do you know they didn’t make up the whole story?
I am an atheist and I care about the truth. It is very very difficult to get a historical Jesus to fit the data. We have to assume so many people acted in unexpected ways in a precise sequence of events.
You are right however sometimes mythology does have roots in the truth. Judaism already had a story about a man leading a revolt, dying in combat, and his young follower taking over. The Macabees. James the Just would have been able to exploit that story in creating his mythical brother.
You’re talking about Hellenistic Judaism, which was definitely a thing for a century or two leading up to Christianity, and it’s thought to have been subsumed into it. It’s not an unreasonable theory given that Greek mythology was familiar with the concept of demigods.
Hell atheist make God in their own image. I see so many atheist biblical scholars insist that Jesus believed the same thing they do. Compare Erhman’s pacifist politics to the politics he claims Jesus stood for. Despite the historical Jesus, assuming he existed, being a Messianic Jew who would have known that the kingdom of heaven was coming through blood.
I read an atheist scholar on Greek who insisted that the historical Jesus was trying to introduce Greek thought into Judaism. Despite the fact that the historical Jesus would have been illiterate and living in a culture with strict taboos against learning anything Greek. And it’s far more likely that Greek writers later on inserted that stuff in.
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I agree but not sure what I am supposed to do. I pointed out that even people who claim to not believe in Jesus being the son of God still build Jesus in their own image. The same way people who do believe he was the son of God.
The first real Mythicist pointed this out. Once you fall under the sway of Jesus you just can’t ever seem to break free.
I don’t think he existed.
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Ok so it’s your opinion. I have many opinions of my own.
Christ is a title not a name. Jesus was not the son of Mr. and Mrs. Christ. It is Greek and means “annoited one”. Coming from the traditions of the area of putting holy oil on the new king.
Why? No this isnt a flippant question. People who advocate for paying taxes, not starting drama, giving charity to poor people, non-violence, and respecting authority aren’t killed for it. Conduct the experiment yourself. Go to your local city hall and stand up there then give a speech about what he said. See what the powers-that-be do to you. “Hey everyone pay your taxes, listen to your government, if someone is poor try to help them out, dont start drama by cheating with your neighbor’s wife, and violence isnt the answer”. Even fucking North Korea gives awards out for charity work. Why the hell would the historical blood thirsty thing that Pilot was kill a person for telling people that they should be good servants to him?
If Jesus existed Pilot would have showered medals on the guy. Here was a guy walking around a province that was rebelling all the time telling people to respect the government and never be violent. Jesus would have been exactly the kind of man Rome wanted. A Jewish guy who could attract large crowds and tell them all to follow orders.
If you say he didn’t say these things, that the Gospel writers made it up later, I would ask you how do you know they didn’t make up the whole story?
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I am an atheist and I care about the truth. It is very very difficult to get a historical Jesus to fit the data. We have to assume so many people acted in unexpected ways in a precise sequence of events.
You are right however sometimes mythology does have roots in the truth. Judaism already had a story about a man leading a revolt, dying in combat, and his young follower taking over. The Macabees. James the Just would have been able to exploit that story in creating his mythical brother.
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Cool. Prove “the historical Jesus” existed.
You’re talking about Hellenistic Judaism, which was definitely a thing for a century or two leading up to Christianity, and it’s thought to have been subsumed into it. It’s not an unreasonable theory given that Greek mythology was familiar with the concept of demigods.