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This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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So they prefer to spy on what their kids are doing? Bah, those ministers are nonce creeps.
Terf island is controlled by nonces
Not their kids. Yours and mine.
How about tell the parents to pay attention to what their fucking kids are doing online instead of dragging the rest of us into it?
You are cursing at the scapegoats. Don’t fall into this trap.
They’re not scapegoats. It’s the parents responsibility to keep an eye on their kids. The scapegoats are the rest of us having to give up our privacy.
Maybe you should google what “scapegoat” means.
Scapegoat is the person being falsely blamed for a problem. Children looking at shit they shouldn’t be online is the parents fault for not supervising them or utilizing any of the numerous parental control options available to them.
In this case the rest us are being blamed for that problem by being forced to deal with a bunch of privacy invading bullshit to fix it.
I don’t think helicopter parenting is the solution.
When you teach your child to look both ways before they cross the street, is that helicopter parenting? Or how about when you teach them not to talk to strangers even if the stranger is wearing a uniform? Do you allow children into your liquor cabinet to pour themselves a tall shot of whiskey? Etc et al. I don’t consider it helicopter parenting to put age appropriate restrictions on what your child can engage with on your network. I call that sound, responsible, parenting.
It’s not about what you teach them. You can teach them whatever you want, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do it. The only way to stop them from doing it is to hover over them (hence the term helicopter).
Teaching a child isn’t about creating robots. I said it earlier in this thread, but you have 18 years of bootcamp to equip your child with all the tools necessary to make, wise, prudent decisions in life. You’re not going to be there, hopping out of bushes, wagging your finger at them forever. However, while they are in your charge, they are your resopnsibility to keep safe and secure. You are the network admin.
I don’t understand what any of that has to do with this conversation.
I think they didn’t get what the fake argument of these politicians were and just jumped to hating children+parents.
I don’t believe monitoring your child’s online habits is “helicopter parenting.” It’s just being a responsible parent.
What about the basics of a responsible parent?
…what about them?
You think basic parental duties is helicopter parenting?
Listen, can you just explain yourself instead of going back and forth and asking senseless questions?
Well they should just leave it be, but If they have to do something better that than invading everyone else’s privacy and ruining the internet.
How about nobody else’a fucking children are anybody else’s fucking problem.
Fuck your stupid fucking kids.
Not literally of course. I’m not a republican.
It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We’ll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world’s richest countries. We’re a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.
Honestly, it feels more sinister. Sure, they say they want to eliminate this privacy tool because children could use it to watch porn, but realistically they’re not a fan of anybody using a VPN.
It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about “oversexed youth” from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn’t have internet porn and they are fucked.
Are not the US citizen a joke, you can not blame people who were educated in ignorance by the Governments, more in the fear of God than in the lack of reasoning capacity in a pseudo-democracy. Living in abubble and helpless in shock, when they visit Europe, seeing what means living safe and protected, with rights they even didn’t know that they exist. This is only sad, we make fun of your crappy fascist system and the current pedo-nazi asshole of president, not the people which don’t know it better.
Ah yes, Europe. Bastion of safety and human rights.
Satanic Panic
Unironically, I think there’s upsides for children being under silly and arbitrary rules that they have to figure out how get around.
Sure, at home or school. Enforced by parents or teachers, not by society on everyone.
Society doesn’t do shit… They take it like obedient dogs they are
This will enforced by the government and at a gun point if needed.
Anything the society allows their government to do, it bears responsibilty for. Doesn’t matter if your average citizen takes an active role. If they don’t take an active role in resisting, or at least sub-verting or sabotaging, they don’t need or deserve your excuses.
I am all about the french cutlery but this is still a bit heavy for me.
I mean, extending it down to the individual level for every detail of law is a bit of a stretch, but my point was that the actions of government are a consequence of the actions or inaction of society-at-large. Individuals who want to distance themselves from the actions of a fascist government and still count themselves part of that jurisdiction’s society should take some sort of action, even anonymously.
If they are to be counted as victims, it serves no-one for them to pretend that main-stream society(or society beyond whatever group they identify with) is blameless or a solid ally versus that government.
“Society” as a concept is more prone to excluding those without power or influence; It de facto includes those with the means to steer government.
I don’t disagree with the basic premise of personal responsibility but that terming has american political connotations so I prefer to frame as direct action.
So yeah every adult is responsible for taking direct action to resist and obstruct exploitation of the working class.
If enough people did direct action and upgraded that to act in solidarity with each other. It would take like 20-30 of adjlt population to start rolling back some of the abuse.
But even this framing is found to be inflammatory onhere on reddit you get banned for it.
God forbid you tell somebody to stop using doordash 🤡
This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.
VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.
I read comments and posts from Chinese posters who go through VPNs regularly.
Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.
And yet people in still china use VPN when wanting to access outside of their own net.
El paquete - UK edition, coming to a flash drive near you XD
Same religious garbage they’ve been trying to pull for the last 75+ years.
“Someone think of the CHILDREN!!!”.
They scream, as they take away your rights to information, privacy, and anything else that they possibly can. They don’t want you to have rights.
The people who tell you think of the children and people who rape children… There is a degree of correlation that should make everyone uncomfortable
The link between them is “using children as leverage for power”
Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from the fucking prison!
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain)
You’re 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can’t help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.
They don’t care about women. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.
seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
Nah, they dug in with it in the healthcare field, when “fighting for nurses” who were idiots and thought vaccines killed people.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I
…and guess what. Those same people are the ones didling the children. I can fill your inbox weekly with examples of clergy, police, republicans, christo facist et al. Now, don’t even think for a second that I give the democrats a pass either. However, the list of democrats is much shorter, but fuck them both. Me thinks they doth protest too loudly.
I’m neiher republican nor democrat. Just a lowely American. I don’t need a political echo chamber to have a political compass.
At the very least, most of the Democrats are guilty of taking money from those ghouls.
To bring it back to Palantir, Biden himself was singing their praises back when he was vice president and the US government was using their surveillance tools.
As much as it is good to see MAGA turn on Trunk over the Epstein files, it’s not lost on me that Garland, under Biden, sat on the files doing nothing for 4 years. And maybe that would make sense if they were actively investigating and trying to prosecute people, but as far as I can tell Maxwell is the only one who faced any consequences.
I don’t want to distract the narrative away from Trump’s guilt. And also, when you stack up presidential accomplishments I’d still rank Biden near the top, probably top-5 in US history. But that says more about the other presidents than Biden.
Our government in the US is corrupt and compromised top to bottom and side to side, and has been for quite a long time now. No one gets a pass.
Yep, it’s always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what’s right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they’re standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more…
These people don’t give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That’s all there is to it.
In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books
They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately.
It’s what Jesus would have wanted
What’s wild is that I have to assume most of us don’t. My friends have said outright their kids won’t get smart phones until a certain age and are consciously deciding media access levels for different ages.
We all grew up with open internet and most of us know that it was a bad thing. We don’t need laws to govern access.
It’s just an excuse to build more surveillance and censorship systems. Mostly, because we all learned various empowering things from the internet growing up that was outside of their state funded systems.
This is not an endorsement of homeschooling. Merely a statement that, even with the bad of the internet, we also learn many things that annoyed politicians and elites alike.
The 2010s were full of protests and organizing made possible by open access to information. That’s the real problem.
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It’s their job to guard their kids from this content first and foremost. It’s their job to put it into context for their children. But the article doesn’t even mention that any of this is a humongous failing of parents.
Next this commissioner will want to outlaw computer mice because they’re used to click pornographic content without verifying the age of the finger on the button. And roads because adult content actors use them to get to jobs.
The way forward is not banning or making worse all sorts of useful tools as collateral damage in this “think of the children” campaign. It is to get all adult content everywhere behind a barrier toddlers cannot break. We were fine with porn mags partially obscured on the top shelf at a news agent when that was a thing. And the salesperson making sure the customer wasn’t a minor. The solution isn’t closing all digital news agents.
And it’s quite telling that the existence of VPNs didn’t play a bigger part in this UK online safety initiative. Like it wasn’t obvious that when the west entrance to porn central was closed off, people wouldn’t naturally look for the ones in east, north, and south.
Edited typo
Brits can kiss their beloved VPNs goodbye.
They can pry it from my cold dead hands.
And hello to a VPS with RDP maybe.
A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years
If so, our world is taking a very scary turn
If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road
If Thiel’s mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by sir Tolkien’s works’ names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that’s some serious spying.
Capitalism is shit, but there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:
- Health services
- Parliaments, committees, assemblies
- Nature
- Housing
- Water and food
- National security
Iirc a thiel company, Persona, does the ID verification
Lovely
stop making housing so expensive instead of thinking about children every hour ministers
I have a great job lined up in the UK, I’m not sure I can take it up considering that is turning into this kind of shit hole.
Don’t worry, the rest of the world will follow suit in a minute
I wouldn’t take it up, honestly. Best to go for somewhere in the EU instead.
The UK is a US puppet state, and pretty much showing it.
I’m EU adjacent, with better privacy laws and definitely aware of the role parents need to play in parenting and of government overreach. I’m happy here but dem monies
Hmm, I don’t know your situation, but if you’re living in Switzerland, Norway, the Faroe Islands, or Iceland, I honestly would just recommend staying there.
If it’s in Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, or Bosnia, then yeah, fair. But I thought none of those had good privacy laws?
Can’t imagine Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or Turkey have good privacy laws. And certainly not any of the North African countries…
It’s been this kind of shit hole surveillance state for a long time. Look at the snooper’s charter/investigatory powers act, for example.
You’re not wrong, but it absolutely is getting worse.
Yeah, and they’ve jumped the “protect our kids” wankery into overdrive as well.
Complete doomer mode: I think they’re also gonna re-establish section 28 soon.
What’s section 28?
Section 28 of the 1988 local government act (often just referred to colloquially as section 28), was a law that made it illegal to discuss queer identities in schools.
here's the relevant excerpt of the act
2A
Prohibition on promoting homosexuality by teaching or by publishing material
(1)A local authority shall not—
(a)intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality;
(b)promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship.
(2)Nothing in subsection (1) above shall be taken to prohibit the doing of anything for the purpose of treating or preventing the spread of disease.
(3)In any proceedings in connection with the application of this section a court shall draw such inferences as to the intention of the local authority as may reasonably be drawn from the evidence before it.
(4)In subsection (1)(b) above “maintained school” means,—
(a)in England and Wales, a county school, voluntary school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education Act 1944; and
(b)in Scotland, a public school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980.”
It was repealed in 2003, but the recent resurgence of homophobia in parliament is using a similar language around “protecting children” is identical to the shit Thatcher and her cronies were throwing around in the 80’s.
for example (CW: homophobia)
Oh wow, I hope you’re wrong but who knows at this point considering one of the only noteworthy things they’ve done in the last year is attack trans people. What’s the source of that last image? I’m really hoping that’s one of the examples from the 80s and not a recent one…
What’s the source of that last image? I’m really hoping that’s one of the examples from the 80s and not a recent one…
Yeah, that’s an 80’s one. Here it is in the Tory Party’s online archive.
I’m hoping this is just me dooming but having grown up in the dying days of section 28, I’m genuinely scared for this next generation of queer people.
Make controlled corn illegal.
Make VPN illegal.
Make horny illegal.
Make showing body and hairs in public illegal.
This little drama may be UK specified, but govs are pushing borders of how much they can squeeze us before society starts to boil. We should boil and explode fast and faster each time, making such gov illegal instead.
Just saying… And I did not speak out, Because I was not an UK citizen.
If you think this isn’t gonna spread, you’re deluding yourself
I’m bit worried, do You mean what will spread, gov and company greed, or citizen disobedience?
I won’t delude anyone for hunger for power and money will only grow while eating. But citizens fighting for their freedom, uhm… well… sure, there is always breakpoint, when society will explode and do fight… but so far, it looks like, greed do 10 steps front, society explode, and greed do 1 step back, all calm, and greed do next 10 steps forward, another protest, another 1 step back, another chill, and next 10 steps…
i meant all the draconian bullshit the UK government is doing. It’s GOING to spread. A matter of when, not if.
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Now 25 and happily married.
Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.
If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.
We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.
Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.
I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.
Forest porn was absolute roided out boomer oriented garbage. Worst slop you’ve seen a billion times.
On the other hand, the early videos with the old Lady teaching 13yr old me how to eat someone out and anatomy were better sex ed than school and “the talk”(didn’t happen lol) combined.
Addiction to porn is not a real thing. No reputable source classifies compulsive viewing of porn as an addiction as far as I know. These people just find it to be a convenient excuse for their compulsions.
It’s not like it can’t happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren’t “exciting” anymore and I’d lost my sensitivity as well.
This is NOT the solution but it’s also not not an issue
Thank you for speaking up. I’m going to share a bit of my experience (unrelated to you, OP.)
I suspect (from my experience dating men) that the desensitivity issue is more common than most people will admit. Few men want to admit that their dick doesn’t work properly, and a subset of those men will attempt to frame this problem as a benefit instead (“I can keep going for so long without cumming, it’s my super power!”) I don’t expect most men will talk with each other like this, but it’s one of the justifications such men tell their partners.
From the partner’s perspective, I hate to have to say this, but… no, it’s not a power. It’s a weakness. A desensitized dick turns sex into a frustrating act that only ends when I get physically sore. If he doesn’t have that “natural stopping point” that usually signals an end to penetration, and the act still feels good to him - he doesn’t want to stop, so why would he? But it’s a very different experience from the “receiving” partner’s perspective. Most people who “receive” in sex don’t want to keep going until they end up in pain. We don’t want to always be the buzz-kill whose role is to decide, “Okay, sex time is over!” I want to have fun, too; not be the playground monitor that has to announce when recess is finished. Going on and on is a porn fantasy, and just like many porn fantasies, it’s not that fun in real life.
The issue of porn-induced desensitivity is absolutely real. However, taking away people’s privacy online is not the solution. These laws are absolutely absurd and a terrifying glimpse of the future the fascists in power are aiming toward. (And for anyone overly-concerned about my sex life that feels the need to chime in with advice - I learned from the lessons of my past, and I share those lessons in hopes that others can learn from it too.)
He told Newsnight the addiction caused him to isolate himself from friends and family because he was “afraid of anyone discovering that I was hooked.”
Mr Lane described finding “the only place I could get, I guess, love and intimacy was from pornography” at the same time as feeling “heaps of guilt and shame”
The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That’s a real issue here!
