We should not speak of Trump pardoning himself as if that’s a legitimate power he would have, rather than a batshit crazy end run around the obvious intention of the Constitution.
And in any case, he’s been convinced to state crimes, and there’s no legal theory to support the idea that he can pardon himself or anyone else for state crimes.
Most crimes have a State and Federal equivalent. The legal particulars of a case deciding which variant a suspect gets charged with. For example a State may have a charge for ‘Intent to Distribute Narcotics’ which a suspect with 10kilos of coke gets arrested for during a traffic stop. The investigation reveals the suspect had driven into the charging state from an adjacent one. Boom: Federal charge now.
In Trump’s case they may try, or have tried, to argue that it is a federal case due to the relation to interfering with the national election. IMO this will strongly suggest the pardon plan is their intent because Federal cases are more severe, with higher penalties and stronger conviction rates than their equivalent State variants. The only reason I can see wanting to risk greater penalties is the possibility of getting SCOTUS to rule on the appeal and that Trump could pardon himself if elected.
In the event he actually gets incarcerated, if he were to win the presidency he could sue claiming being locked up interferes with his constitutional duties as president. I think I know what this Supreme Court would decide on that
This Supreme Court has not always been friendly to Trump, nor his cronies, nor conservative causes. Their rulings are all over the place regarding politics. Here’s a pile of liberal wins.
If you have the pile of links why not post them? This is just a screenshot of truncated headlines masquerading as a source.
One of the headlines is “Samuel Alito Is Mad You Can’t Be Bigoted Towards Gay People Anymore.” This could be an article about the current conservative supreme court protecting the rights of gay people, or it could be an article about how the supreme court is planning to strip rights from gay people. I don’t know because you didn’t actually post a source, you posted a screenshot of a list of truncated headlines.
He won’t need to, it’ll be his “independent” department of justice calling the shots. Sessions and Barr did everything in their power, without committing actual explicit crimes, to keep Trump happy while they were in charge.
He can’t pardon himself if he wins
We should not speak of Trump pardoning himself as if that’s a legitimate power he would have, rather than a batshit crazy end run around the obvious intention of the Constitution.
And in any case, he’s been convinced to state crimes, and there’s no legal theory to support the idea that he can pardon himself or anyone else for state crimes.
No but he could pardon himself on any federal charge. It’s not crazy talk
We should assume he pocket pardoned both himself and any person who went ballistic trying to make their state charges federal ones.
Not sure what you mean about making state charges into federal ones
Most crimes have a State and Federal equivalent. The legal particulars of a case deciding which variant a suspect gets charged with. For example a State may have a charge for ‘Intent to Distribute Narcotics’ which a suspect with 10kilos of coke gets arrested for during a traffic stop. The investigation reveals the suspect had driven into the charging state from an adjacent one. Boom: Federal charge now. In Trump’s case they may try, or have tried, to argue that it is a federal case due to the relation to interfering with the national election. IMO this will strongly suggest the pardon plan is their intent because Federal cases are more severe, with higher penalties and stronger conviction rates than their equivalent State variants. The only reason I can see wanting to risk greater penalties is the possibility of getting SCOTUS to rule on the appeal and that Trump could pardon himself if elected.
In the event he actually gets incarcerated, if he were to win the presidency he could sue claiming being locked up interferes with his constitutional duties as president. I think I know what this Supreme Court would decide on that
This Supreme Court has not always been friendly to Trump, nor his cronies, nor conservative causes. Their rulings are all over the place regarding politics. Here’s a pile of liberal wins.
If you have the pile of links why not post them? This is just a screenshot of truncated headlines masquerading as a source.
One of the headlines is “Samuel Alito Is Mad You Can’t Be Bigoted Towards Gay People Anymore.” This could be an article about the current conservative supreme court protecting the rights of gay people, or it could be an article about how the supreme court is planning to strip rights from gay people. I don’t know because you didn’t actually post a source, you posted a screenshot of a list of truncated headlines.
There is no way in hell he will see a second of jail time. He needs to, but he won’t.
Yeah I’m not holding my breath
He won’t need to, it’ll be his “independent” department of justice calling the shots. Sessions and Barr did everything in their power, without committing actual explicit crimes, to keep Trump happy while they were in charge.
The U.S. department of justice does not call the shots in the state of New York.
Right? What do these people think would happen? Trump calls in the military to fight NYPD?
I mean, he’s such a fucking idiot, I wouldn’t put it past him to suggest it.