Might help also to describe what you think feminism is, since it’s one of those terms that is overloaded.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn’t a feminist because she thought women couldn’t be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers, and seemed to believe feminism requires treating women exactly like men.

I told her I was a feminist because I believe in equal rights for men and women, an idea she did not seem so opposed to.

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    Feminism as often defined:

    the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this state. Is something I agree with support.

    I wouldn’t call myself a feminist because I think the word is basically broken. Too many people use it in a different way than this definition. Too many people think that if you are a feminist you have to agree with other things or you are not a feminist. I would describe myself as a humanist; I think.

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    I do believe gender is a social construct that’s becoming outdated. And that we shouldn’t have nor woman nor men, at all.

    Make of that what you want.

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    No.

    And I got banned from Lemmygrad for saying that,
    but I’ll try iterating it again here hoping I won’t be this time around.
    Reasons ordered from strongest to weakest.

    1. Gender exclusiveness is in the name.

    I don’t like any movement that has some form of exclusiviness in their name
    other than nationality when they are indigenous to the land or ideology of the likeminded.
    Any movement that has sex, age, sexual orientation,
    but especially race in their name, immediately raises suspicions in me.
    My country used to have a 50+ political party and while I don’t think the general public
    thought of them as anything other than that ‘lovely little grandma and grandpa party’,
    my first thoughts went to banning the party for age discrimination.

    The only thing I think that sets apart the feminist movement from other supremacist movements
    is that I believe that humans have taken an evolutionary path that has resulted with fewer women
    with dominant and mean personalities and
    while I think current technology/economics would allow such thing to happen if
    it were to run for several more generations, near future technology/economics won’t.

    And that makes this movement much less dangerous than
    other supremacist movement that is far quicker to cheer on genocide.

    1. Not agreeing with things feminists have said about themselves

    Most of all, all the “If it weren’t for us…” statements.

    I fail to see how it was not inventions that changed society as a whole in most cases.
    Household chores used to be a full time job.
    Paper, ink and education was something only the rich could afford,
    so forget about voting, including for men.
    War has gotten more and more mechanic and even robotic,
    so the draft has gotten rare as well.
    Bank accounts stopped being a rich people only thing as well.

    Other statement like “the Feminist movement is about equality between women and men.”
    to which I say
    “Sure sure, and the Trump movement is about equality between Trumps and non-Trumps. That’s why we needed more Trumps in leadership positions.”

    1. I consider there to be an imbalance demographic imbalance between the sexes,
      and I consider this to be an issue on the relationship market,
      and myself as a (perpless) victim of it, so it hits me personally.
      I also consider this to be something that dropped power into women’s hands
      and I don’t think leaders of the feminist movement would want to happily give up on that

    This is the more controversial one that gets me banned.
    Due to new technology, demographics skew towards more men
    of adult age, so not counting the elderly or children.
    For every ethnic group that would mean advantages for that group,
    but when the demographic group is about the sexes,
    the less there are of you, the more power you have.

    If I were the only male, I’d be king of the world,
    heterosexual women at my feet, protected and wanted by even the most powerful presidents.
    I could exploit it to the fullest and powerful women could and would block other
    women from ever coming near to me, physically or through manipulation.

    This shortage gives women the power to exploit men.
    And since it’s a semi-permanent power, there’s little anyone can do to mitigate the issue,
    apart from society inventing new technologies that will balance or skew the scale to the other side,
    which could happen in ten years or so.

    “The universe doesn’t entitle you to a girlfriend”
    Then I would say that that IS a true statement,
    but then I also am not entitled to an income,
    a car, a house, food, water, electricity and other basic necessities,
    but I do think that I am entitled to live in a society
    that prioritizes to have these necessities in abundance supply.

    I don’t like these kind of statements that turn the political into the personal.
    It’s similar to the “You’re on your own kid. Just get a job. Improve yourself” statements when someone loses their income and house.

    “Women are not stock. They are human beings. Stop comparing our bodies to objects.”
    I say that employees and employers are also human beings.
    There’s a demand and supply of that too and yet again
    I’d like to say that I’m entitled to live in a society
    where unemployment is down to 0%,
    so employers with jobs would be in full supply.
    And if I’m the only male on the planet,
    I would have no qualms saying that there’s a shortage of supply in men.
    There’s an abundance of supply of men right now.
    Just because women want relationships, and thus there being a demand for men,
    does not mean that I think men or women are objects or livestock.

    “It’s not the quantity of women that’s the issue, it’s the quality of men”
    I find that hard to believe since both men and women are each other’s counterparts,
    made from the same DNA cloth who evolved by procreating with each other.
    So an insult to one sex in terms of quality can only be an insult to the other.
    Unless you want to go the uhm… “other route”
    you know the “What do you mean Karen when you say that there’s more low-quality men these days?”

    Quantity however is something that used to be balanced by nature,
    where boys and men died more often from the plague, cholera and other diseases.
    Most of us don’t live in that kind of society anymore.
    We have tamed the animal kingdom down to the virus and bacteria
    and now men are in a significant abundance.

    1. Issue #3 makes me doubt the authenticity of people supporting feminism.

    I’ve seen the fat acceptance or body positivity movement implode almost overnight the moment Ozempic got popular.
    Apparently, people weren’t all that positive about their bodies the moment they could easily lose weight.
    And I’m expecting to see the same with feminism once technologies that boost up the number of adult women becomes popular.

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    I believe in equal rights and opportunities for all, be they man, woman, in between or none of the above.

    But saying (and perhaps believing) one is a feminist and actually acting like one are often two different pairs of shoes. We all are confronted with so much discrimination, with so much bias, with so much misogyny, it takes active labour to actually behave like a feminist, because no matter how you think about yourself, at some point and to some degree, all that shit we get confronted with every day will rub off on us, and we have to understand that and constantly check ourselves so that it does not influence us in our thought patterns. Constant mental garbage collection, if you want.

    That is true for all kinds of discrimination, no matter what it is based on.

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    If feminism is defined as equal rights for all things that are not gender relevant I agree. But there are a lot of really good exception, where it makes sense that we acknowledge differences. Like pregnancy, physical differences and so on. In short everything that can be equal should be.

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    I’m an egalitarian. I believe women and women are, and should be treated, equal(ly).

    The clue is in the name feminist. Feminism is about equality in the same way an advocate of masculinism is an advocate of equality.

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      That’s unfortunately not how words work.

      Get into etymology and you’d be surprised at the number of words whose current meanings are complete 180s from their historical definitions.

      You can’t just look at a word a decide what it means. Very few people use the word feminist to intend what you are claiming it means.

      Suggesting they secretly intend your interpretation is mad, and claiming everyone except you is using the word wrong just means youre the one who has its definition wrong.

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    “Ecofeminists examine the effect of gender categories in order to demonstrate the ways in which social norms exert unjust dominance over women and nature. The philosophy also contends that those norms lead to an incomplete view of the world, and its practitioners advocate an alternative worldview that values the earth as sacred, recognizes humanity’s dependency on the natural world, and embraces all life as valuable.” —https://www.britannica.com/topic/ecofeminism

    Yes. Because it goes hand in hand with Cynicism, my main guiding philosophy:

    Cynic: “an adherent of an ancient Greek school of philosophers who held the view that virtue is the only good and that its essence lies in self-control and independence” —Merriam-Webster

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      The Cynics (notably Diogenes of Sinope) also advocated for sexual relations between relatives (such as brothers and sisters), since incest norms were socially imposed and thus “arbitrary” in the view of the Cynics.

      Diogenes also died after eating a live octopus, which is amusing.

      Either way, love Cynicism (incest aside and all), cheers!

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    I’m a male vegan anarchist and reject every form of mistreatment based on immutable qualities like species, ethnicity, sex etc. At the same time women in my life have consistently broken my trust, which has left me with some generalized cynical views about them. I also believe that the west is at a point where women often receive preferential treatment in sectors like education and hiring, so advocating for them while men are left behind doesn’t make much sense to me. I do not consider myself a feminist.

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      I wish I could give you like an award for writing the most Lemmy comment of all or something, lol

      I’ll write a more thoughtful response later, but in the meantime, thank you for sharing 🧡

      EDIT:

      more serious response time:

      I was wondering why you believe women receive preferential treatment in hiring and education, what I have read is that empirically women are more likely to be turned down for jobs and they experience greater rates of unemployment and longer employment gaps than men (in the U.S.).

      Do you mean you wouldn’t advocate for women in employment and hiring based on your views, or just generally? Because there are still many stark disparities between men and women in the West (including pay, cost of healthcare, sexual violence rates, and so on).

      It’s surprising to me that you identify as an egalitarian and anarchist, but don’t consider yourself a feminist - what do you think feminism is, if not a movement for gender equality?

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    Yes, bc I support equality. That’s it. That’s all it means. I try to treat others the way I would want to be treated. I try not to be an asshole to others. I know sometimes I fail, but I don’t go out of my way to do it. If somebody tells me I did something incorrect or hurtful, I don’t get offended, I just try to do better in the future if I see them again.

    I didn’t know that supporting feminism was just supporting equality until I was an adult bc nobody ever taught me that. It’s not surprising to me that some people attach so much additional meaning to the word (both positive and negative), and they’re opposed to it for whatever additional meanings they have attach to the word.

    It is still very surprising to me that there are people who will openly admit they’re just strongly opposed to equality. From my perspective, if you’re opposed to equality, that means you’re opposed to treating others as you would want them to treat you. You’re intentionally being an asshole, and you kinda forfeit any expectations that people shouldn’t be an asshole to you too. Yet, I still believe you’re entitled to the same rights as anyone else. Equality means it’s ok to be an asshole to another asshole. That is feminism to me.

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      what is striking to me is how your thinking about feminism is on the scale of your own experiences and interactions with people - i.e. feminism for you is about being an asshole or a nice person to people based on how they interact with you, but not based on their gender … but what is missing from this is any social or structural awareness of how women are treated differently, not necessarily by individuals, but by policies and more subtle differences, like the absence of women in positions of power (as politicians for example).

      Not that there is anything wrong about reflecting on the ways that bias manifests on the individual scale, it just feels so different from what I typically encounter as feminism (which is more about activism and furthering equal rights and so on).

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        I think you’re misunderstanding my point.

        Feminism isn’t about being an asshole vs a nice person. It’s about equality and it extends beyond gender.

        Why are women treated differently? Why aren’t they given the same respect as everyone else? Why should anyone be denied an equal place in society based on things like race, class, gender etc.?

        My only point about assholes is that an individual who is truly opposed to equality, is simply an asshole. Even assholes opposed to equality are still entitled to the same rights as anyone else, but the consequences of being an asshole (people not respecting or associating with you because you acted like a disrespectful asshole) are not violations of your rights.

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    ‘Feminist’ is one of those terms that seems to have different definitions based on who you ask. I don’t know what you call me but I’m a proponent of Equal Rights Amendment full-stop.

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      I mean, that definitely relates to feminism - but I sense hesitation, what definitions do you think people have, what definitions do you have? Which ones are more dominant, or are there more or less legitimate definitions?

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    I am a feminist because I believe men and women should have equal rights. I think a lot of people fell for the propaganda that feminism is about women over men or something. The thing a lot of men fail to realize is that “the patriarchy” hurts them too. A lot of the things you see men complain about like being told to “man up” or not being able to express their feelings without being mocked are 100% a side effect of patriarchy.

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      “Man up” isn’t always about bottling your feeling like the US internet says. More often it’s “stop complaining and just do it”. And someone has to do “it”. And it often leads to growth.

      The internet often distorts things.

      As for the topic, I am a feminist. The first and second wave feminism, that is. The equality ones. Not the pink haired screaming “all men are evil and should pay” third wave. Everybody screaming “patriarchy” while sitting on their bed, not even looking further then that. Looking at everything black and white.

      Actually, I’m kinder to women then men…

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        As for the topic, I am a feminist. The first and second wave feminism, that is. The equality ones. Not the pink haired screaming “all men are evil and should pay” third wave.

        Actually, I’m kinder to women then men…

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    I will say yes, because I am a woman who has benefited from what feminists did in the past, and don’t believe in strict gender roles for men or women, and my kids were all born as girls, I had to work a lot to get them good education, my focus has necessarily been more on advancing the lives of girls than boys, I didn’t get boys until I married.

    I think humanity as a whole is stronger when women are stronger. Empowering women empowers men too, when we all do more we are stronger, it’s not a zero sum thing.

    So yeah I think so, yes, soy feminista.

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    I’d specifically think of myself as an anarchafeminist, so yes, I’d say I’m a feminist. Fuck bullshit gender division, and fuck anybody who thinks someone is less capable because of their genitals or the clothes they wear (or if those things “match” or not)

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    Yes. I think it’s about thinking patriarchy is bad. Almost always that implies preferring equality; the manosphere dudes massively overblow the support for matriarchy. I’m honestly not sure if I would include equality in the definition or not, because of how little that distinction matters in practice.

    I should also include that I think patriarchy is real (because anything else is flat-Earth tier, look at Afghanistan), and that many remnants of it still exist in the West. Sometimes people who oppose something they call feminism claim that there’s not.