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Fuck Reddit
This company limited search crawlers to google, why are you surprised?
Good plan. Keep locking down your big tech platforms, and we’ll all be over here letting folks know where they can find freedom.
Careful. Lemmy is too small to draw the attention of sophisticated, persistent abuse. As a company, Reddit has struggled with revenue and we’ve all seen those struggles quite publicly. Lemmy instances with those same challenges would probably just fold and close up.
Federated networks give you freedom but the potential for abuse is proportional to that freedom while at the same time, federation is far more expensive taken as a whole.
Lemmy instances with those same challenges would probably just fold and close up.
Can confirm. I set up a pixelfed instance for my city with the goal of moving people from Insta to this version. After about three months, user accounts went from 1-10 signups a week to a hundred a week.
No way did that many business owners sign up. And yep, all spam.
After a while, my random weekend project in Spring became a full time job. I closed it last month.
I’ve thought of doing something similar, and think, while the federated spam is hard to deal with, signup spam is manageable if you somehow restrict signups to the actual community you want to support. Open signup on the web is a nightmare.
For a city, an interesting idea might be to only allow signups on a dedicated, physical wifi AP placed somewhere strategic in your city. People would literally have to go to a physical location to sign up. Piggy-backing on a library system would be another option if you could somehow get them to buy-in.
I’m sure it would persist even after an event of malicious activity. It may just turn out like email with servers needing to be added to an allowlist at worst and more moderation. I think scalability might be the limiting factor at some point though and as a result we could end up with several disconnected islands of server clusters instead of globally meshed servers.
‘freedom’ as long as the mod agrees with you.
Or… let them stay on Reddit. I like lemmy much better, and it’s possibly due to the people that are not present and the lack of commercial interest.
I think if the fediverse was ever to become more mainstream, it would naturally splinter. For example, the corporate stuff would be big, and those people who value the small-instance experience we have now would probably de-federate from it. There would always be small fediverses, even if the big fediverses got REALLY big.
Just make your own invite-only server if you’re so worried about it. Digital freedom should be for everyone, not just a few antisocial nerds.
I’m not worried about anything.
Well, clearly you are, or you wouldn’t suggest that most people should stay on (what I think we both agree to be) an inferiror platform that affords them fewer freedoms.
If you’re worried that somehow that would bring unwanted attention or a bad crowd, you can always sequester yourself in a more niche server. That’s the whole point of this federated system to begin with - giving us more control of our digital presence.
No harm in that. To each their own. :-) Everyone gets to decide at least.
That means big news is coming, and the media doesn’t want to fuck up the reporting that is comming. Reddit preparing for mass submission of articles
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
AI can scrape books and journals for info, but can’t scrape Reddit?
Yes. Rules for thee.
Reddit can be scraped just as much as online books and journals.
So what’s the point of this?
And I will block reddit.
fucking reddit…
Is that even possible?
Technologically no. Reddit sends out the data to 10s of millions of users as part of their normal operations. They need to try to block those who collect that data for the IA. Reddit has the very short end of the stick.
The problem is that evading such counter-measures may be criminal in the US. Obviously, EU laws are much harsher.
Slightly related, can you explain how (a few times for me) an archived page I tried to revisit got erased?
I don’t know their take-down policy. Could be privacy, could be copyright.
I think they are shielded by Section 230 under US law. That means, if they don’t do take-downs when requested, they become liable just like the original uploader. So it depends on whether they think they can defend something as fair use. IDK what they do with requests under non-US laws.
Thanks for your detailed explanation.
When I look that up it’s specifically about ‘defamatory, illegal, or harmful content’.
That would be understandable to take down.
Never encountered that myself, the cases I’m referring to were totally legal content AFAIK.
Only very damaging or proof of something.
As a hypothetical example, let’s say an organisation posts it’s associated with Epstein in 1999 which now obviously is very inconvenient.
They understandably remove it from their website but it should stil be on the archive if captured before.
However, in similar controversial real cases it wasn’t.
So it appears certain forces have more influence to get them to remove content beyond what’s legally required.
Since then I always screenshot the archive page.Hmm. There are many things that could cause legal trouble for the Wayback Machine. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions.
You can see on Lemmy that many people would prefer to outlaw scraping, fair use, and all that. Well, not for the “good guys” obviously, but the law doesn’t work on vibes. The IA would be legally impossible in most countries. In the EU, it would be a major crime because of copyright and GDPR. It’s only the traditional US commitment to free speech and fair use that makes it possible at all.
The IA exists in a legally precarious position. That’s not because of any shady backroom dealing. If the crowd in this community had its way, it would be gone.
I know the EU has different (stricter) laws and that they vary between states. (Germany being particularly awful)
There is however some complicated form of fair use policy.
If the IA hosts music and books that might be problematic.
But I’m talking about archived webpages and information previously available to the public with zero commercial value that has been removed.
And this includes American sites.But I’m talking about archived webpages and information previously available to the public with zero commercial value that has been removed.
It is still “intellectual property”. Maybe the policy is to just oblige removal requests if the content doesn’t seem to be of public interest. Cause why not, right? Look at all the people here on Lemmy angry that their worthless posts are scraped or deleting them on Reddit. Obliging takedown requests is certainly the path of least resistance.
Not to mention all of Asia, South America, Africa…
I am new to Lemmy, is there a fuckreddit sub?
Why would you want to spend more time thinking about a dead site?
I just like to laugh at things I dislike. And I also like to see how bad it’s getting. Iwas in the undelete sub and it was amazing.
Yes.
Hi welcome to Lemmy, we hate reddit here.
In a way, the entire lemmy community is the fuckreddit sub
Yes
If you seek a pleasant public forum, look about you.
This is a great site to search for communities. Doesnt seem like there is one.
So reddit will become even less valuable
what’s a reddit?
You use it too scratch your butt I think.
Oh no, someone might not be paying them for their user generated content (!)
To be fair, it’s probably best that history forgets this period of the web…
that history forgets this period
and thus it repeats
don’t worry, we easily repeat what we “learned” anyway
They can keep their shit for themselves, stopped caring a long time ago.
Nice of them to protect their (users’) content from AI scrapping. So that they can charge AI companies for it instead.
They aren’t doing that. They are protecting content from being scraped for free. Reddit is perfectly happy to charge for AI access to user-generated content.
No, that’s not what’s happening. They’re preventing scrapers from accessing the content at no charge. They’re totally willing to make deals for access to their content in exchange for money.
Almost, but they are really making it so they can charge ai companies for user data and not allow scrappers to get the data for free.
