Ah yes, the noble Caveman Coder, hunched over their keyboard like it’s a slab of stone, grunting at a missing semicolon for the past three hours. Meanwhile, the AI user already built the same app, deployed it, A/B tested it, and had time for a coffee break and existential crisis. But no worries, Caveman insists “real coders solve things manually” as they slowly reinvent the wheel… square-shaped, of course. Fire bad. IDE scary. AI tool? “Witchcraft! Burn the witch 🧹
And the vibe coder is also blissfully unaware of all the zero days he/she has also deployed along with his prompted autocomplete output of a program.
Great work! Very efficient!
I’m totally sure said program doesn’t also needlessly pull in a gigantic mess of additional libraries, just to use one or two functions from it, I’m sure this is a very compute and memory efficient program.
And I am totally sure this will all work great and be easily reconfigured to keep up with any changing requirements, because we all know software devs always get very concrete, stable, and well defined requirements to work with.
I’ve tried Copilot for a while and played around with Cursor for a bit. I was better and faster without Copilot due to sometimes not paying enough attention of the lines it would generate. This would cause subtle bugs that took a long time to debug. Cursor just produced unmaintainable code-bases that I had no knowledge of, and to make major changes, would be faster for me to just rewrite it from scratch. The act of typing gives me time to think more about what I’m doing or am going to do, while Copilot generations are distracting and break my thought processes. I work best with good LSP tooling and sometimes AI chatbots (mostly just for customized example snippets for libraries or frameworks I’m unfamiliar with; though that has its own problems because the LLMs knowledge is out of date a lot) that don’t directly modify my code.
welp I guess time to open a codeberg account
CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
I’m looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.
You can’t point this out! People will flip the responsibility to you!
That always seems to happen. I’m too broke to buy a pitchfork, and too pyrophobic for a torch, sorry.
Don’t worry, they’re gonna eat themselves doing shit just like this. It’s not a matter of if, but when.
“AI” has it’s uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they’re selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.
yes, but we will be burdened with the consequences somehow. we will be the ones to pay the price, as always.
Hard agree. AI is not currently at the stage that CEO’s think it’s at. A few years down the road there’s going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away. Sadly this also will be accompanied with a IT/Software “sinkhole” because many who were competent in the field will have moved on to the next thing as the jobs wern’t there anymore.
Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but when COVID occurred they started being treated like tools, medical facilities started having to pay mad amounts of money on traveling staff that jumped from facility to facility due to it to even partially make up for it as many left the field. Jump to today, the problem still exists, an educated field like IT or nursing can’t have an event that results in tons of people leaving the profession, as you can’t just snap your finger and get that knowledge back. It will take years to regain that trust and get people back into the fields again.
Even more fun, the stock market is propped up by Nvidia and AI companies buying their chips. If AI crashes, it’s a new financial crisis. And if the market crashes, the layoffs at far were just a warmup.
they already laid off so many people, when it does crash, it will. do they expect the programmers/devs they dint fire to hold thier company over til thier next grift, with so little people.
They’ll expect that and in lot of cases fail, while China, India en EU will try buy everything for cents on the dollar. Then USA starts to lose its dominant position in digital services, what’s now a big part of the export. Or the government can panic and nationalize the whole sector. It’s not sure how things turn out, but it’ll be a weird time.
I predict it will be even more somewhat lesser skilled white collar type office jobs. Like insurance adjusters and other insurance policy related jobs come to mind. AI will completely fuck this up. There will be massive lawsuits and these companies will go out of business. Same thing with other industries. Once they realize the massive fuckup they made, they will try to switch back but no one will be there available to come back. And then they are fucked. The more industries this happens to, the worse the crash will be as it affects many diverse industries. It’s a huge recipe for disasters, like Great Depression style. And with trump’s tarrifs to fan the flame, we are well on our way.
it has a cascading effect, its already affecting state university in the west in enrollment, because they dont see a future in thier degree, they are either not choosing to come to a particular 4 year university, or looking at other universities in other areas.
Don’t worry, until Trump gets his insurance adjusted by an LLM trained on real data about him (won’t happen), he’ll make executive orders exempting the LLM users from legal action.
also - love the Johnny Mnemonic inspired username.
This is exactly what happened to manufacturing and chip making of 40 years of “free trade”. We lack the skilled staff for these jobs.
Continuing on the nursing topic, well before covid there was a shortage of nurses, then the media blitz convinced many people to get degrees… There were so many looking for work that wages plummeted.
It’s all a shell game. The goal is to make the labor suplly huge so they can dictate wages, which they did.
They did it with programmers overthe last ten years… Now nobody can find a job.
I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
travelling nurses seems to be the way to go, to earn bank. being a staff at a hospital or medical center doesnt seem attractive, unless your in a really backwoods state like a red one, where they let nurses fall to the cracks to be hired. Also the pandemic, people during thier university years wernt learning anything so they were also fucked from the start, since everything was online and not in person, thats why im seeing such bad reviews in universities in my area. the first 2 years is pretty much crucial to determine your strength in your degree, and then some experience, which was probably non existent during covid, like with labs and research.
AI is not currently at the stage that CEO’s think it’s at. A few years down the road there’s going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away.
I think they’re aware which is why they’re posturing with BS statements such as his. They wouldn’t need to force it on people if it were actually as good as they want people to think it is. They want to cash in now because they know the house of cards will crumble sooner than later.
Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but
What drew me to this collection of a full sentence and another fragment spliced in wasn’t the comma splice: it was the perfect example of beggaring the question.
I’m still not sure whether the bad writing was accidental or an attempt to divert from the false premise.
At no time has there been sufficient medical staff.
Be the change you want to see.
Be patient. Pyrrhic victories of your enemies are not to be gobbled. They are to be savoured.
Copilot is shit
Yes and no. I find its terrible at solving more complex problems but its great at writing out tests for a function/view that covers every flow. My team went from having like 40% (shit) coverage to every PR having every case tested (inb4 they’re not good tests, they are good)
With that being said, fuck CEOs and fuck AI.
Copilot is shit.
Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.
It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.
You can turn off the copilot autocomplete in the ide and JUST use agent/edit/ask mode
This is my experience. It saves a bit of typing sometimes but that’s probably cancelled out by the time spent correcting it, rewriting nonsense it produced, and reviewing my corworkers PRs that didn’t notice the nonsense.
Here’s where I’ll give it credit:
- It can spit out a beautiful readme.md file
- It will insert comments to explain the more nuanced aspects of my code for those viewing it for the first time
Doesn’t make up for the annoying-ass auto complete hijacking though. Stupid thing keeps making up non-existent functions and api’s and inserting them all over the place.
You have to put it in Ask mode so it doesn’t touch your code also ChatGPT models are free so if you want to ring up an AI bill use the Claude and Sonnet models.
If those are my two options…start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.
Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don’t need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.
Broke: selfhost Forgejo (what Codeberg runs on, for those who don’t know) because nobody looks at my code anyway
Woke: access my Git repo directly through SSH because I don’t need any other feature anyway
Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s
What employees?
Replace CEOs with AI
I’m wondering about why they got fooled. Have they noticed that LLM can do a better job than them and they think that this will also translate to software engineering?
My understanding is CEOs are mostly good at schmoozing with other CEOs and investors. A lot of investors operate on vibes, so having a CEO that can vibe with other rich bros can open pathways to funding. That’s about it. Everything else they do is a liability or could be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
Also, we probably shouldn’t be driving most of our productivity based on the vibe check of a few rich boys.
Your last sentence is spot on but it doesn’t capture the full weight of the impact rich people vibes have on the world. The perceived value of every stock, and by extension the economy as a whole, is almost exclusively a vibe check of rich guys. There is no objective information about a company that is more indicative of that company’s success than how rich people feel about it.
And since Rich people are just interested in having the biggest number, they only invest in lines that are going up every quarter.
Mutual funds are doing the same thing, and since they’ve convinced the rest of us to invest our retirements into stocks instead of pensions, we’re all fucked when it fails.
replace CEOs with people
Codeberg rules
Codeberg is so nice.
If they intend to pay me the same amount to work slower and think less, that’s their choice and I will be happy to help them out pursuing it. ChatGPT, explain to my boss how I’m using AI for everything I work on now.
They think they can hire less SWE because of it. Though from my experience all benefits it gives are neutralized by mistakes or does. I have to pay more attention to what it produces to find bugs (and they are subtle, and even then successfully sneak them).
I also frequently notice that I actually can produce more concise code for my user case.
And it is plagiarizing (Microsoft apparently provides some legal protection against a lawsuit, but I don’t know if that is for everyone).
A while ago I found a bit less popular code and it came with library. I didn’t like their implementation so I started writing my own and copilot basically was suggesting the code from the library I tried to rewrite.
Keep inflating that bubble boys.
bubble boys
I love that. Gonna steal it.
Let me microwave your steak with a fork in it. Please watch closely as it operates.
Tap for Disclaimer
For those idiots out there, please don’t do this.
This is genuinely such a good analogy
chef’s kiss
Aight Imma head out
what a piece of shit. par for the course for a ceo though.
Guess I’m migrating my code to a different service then 🤷♂️
Looks like I’ll get out then.
I don’t think he’s wrong in some regards, but only in the ‘AI looks somewhat promising in our future’. He didn’t need to be condescending about it.
Would AI be better CEO’s? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
I am convinced AI could replace CEO’s very easily. Making decisions based on trends and lots of data is an easy use case. And if it’s the wrong decision who cares? CEO’s also don’t take and responsibility at all. AI is also a very good lair too.
It already has.
They’ve drunk their own coolaid. They actually believe their own bullshit. They’ve offloaded what little thinking they used to do onto LLMs. They have them manage their schedules, summarise their emails, write their emails and speeches, and make every single decision for them.
They’re brain-dead computer operated zombies.
The problem is that they keep getting paid absurd amounts of money for being completely useless (and that they’ve always been so useless that no one can tell the difference).
I can’t help but picture the business card scene from American Psycho, but they’re comparing the “AI” assistants they use instead of their cards.
A CEO’s main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI’s particular talent.
an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they’re not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too
A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.
Except that never happens. They get millions and then go bankrupt some other company.
they get millions
Exactly their job. Their job is to take the blame. In exchange, they get millions to move on to someone else.
Since they almost never take the blame or suffer any consequences, most of them are not doing even that “job”. They’re parasites on the work of others.
So, yes?
A magic 8 ball would be a better CEO. LLMs could probably pull it off fine.
I just wrote elsewhere in this thread but to repeat myself: I think the real job of a CEO is to schmooze with other CEOs and rich idiots. They get funding. Everything else is pretty much a liability, and would be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
So the board members could replace the CEOs with AI if they desired. I guess their saving grace is it would be hard to extort, blackmail and coerce AI.
I don’t think the board wants to do that, because the board is composed of CEOs and friends of CEOs. The rich have class solidarity. They’re not going to fuck each other over like that.
Understanding The Rise In CEO Exits
Directors looking to understand and address the exodus can look first to a number of drivers, including the tremendous pressure today’s leaders face contending with volatility and unprecedented change in an unforgiving market. Focus on short-term performance, geopolitical turbulence and talent concerns have all escalated in recent years. When the headwinds hit, CEOs find themselves squarely in the firing line, as Bill George, former CEO of Medtronic and a former board member at Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil, Novartis and Target, points out in this issues’s cover story (see p. 16). “I know one case where a CEO was given 16 months,” he says. “How can you possibly turn around a culture in 16 months? They’re reacting too quickly to external forces, and that’s not right.”
https://boardmember.com/understanding-the-rise-in-ceo-exits/
Company I worked at went through 5 CTOs in 4 years. 5.
