Every day there’s a new article trying to shame workers for existing.
I have a remote job with a defined “territory”, which my job never requires me to explore (think regional manager that doesn’t report to an office). Five years ago I asked my boss to move, they said no, I moved anyway and just never changed my address in the system. I have a permanent mail forwarding set up, and file an additional state tax form every year, but other than that it has caused me no problems.
Fuck CNBC.
A majority, 78%, of U.S. workers say they don’t take all their PTO days, and it’s highest among Gen Z workers and millennials
Younger professionals say they don’t ask for time off because they feel pressure to meet deadlines and be productive
Another article sensationalizing the term “millennial” for clicks. Millennials are in their 40s now.
My man. The vast majority of millenials are in their 30’s. Not 40’s. I get it, time flies, we’re old… but not THAT old.
nah we are the new old. all the microplastics and pollution and shit they put in the food and water is aging us earlier. before long people will look 40-50 in their 20s.
I had a job where we had an old fashioned paper office calendar. If we wanted to use PTO we simply wrote the days on the calendar. Our boss only wanted to know if multiple people from a workgroup were leaving on the same day or if it may cause issues (and he trusted us to figure that out). It was glorious.
My wife is only approved to take PTO once they find someone to work the shift. And they will not even try until the month before. We buy plane tickets 3-9 months out.
If you’re buying tickets that far in advance, PTO is less of a request and more of “notifying you to fill those days”.
Millennials, otherwise know as 28-43 year olds.
“Back in my day, we just bought a fancy red sports car for our mid-life crisis!”
My company doesn’t pay out for unused PTO, so my boss will periodically (but more often towards the end of the year) tell us to use our vacation days if we still have some. He’ll even call us and basically beg us to use them if we still have some in October.
I used to feel bad about calling out or taking PTO when I worked hospitality, because I knew that if I wasn’t there, someone else had to fill in. Now I do warranty repairs for major PC manufacturers, so if I call out or take PTO, some clients might be annoyed, but I’m not inconveniencing any of my coworkers. It helps that my boss is awesome and encourages us to use it or call in if we don’t feel well.
My coworker just sits in his desk on his phone. He’s quiet, I guess, but we all see it.
Hey I’m not snitching.
Yeah I guess I’ll just do his work too for the same pay
Why are you doing his work? That’s not your responsibility, but your management.
Because shit needs to get done or we all look bad. If you have suggestions, please let me know, but complaints aren’t welcome.
Bro you’re a prime candidate for quiet quitting.
If everyone looks bad because of the weakness of one person, you are being taken advantage of.
Never met a single person who does this.
To be fair, if you did you’d keep that shit to yourself. Same with all the people that work multiple remote Dev jobs.
Bet its like the Tide Pod thing. Like 4-5 people did it and media sprung on it like its the hip new dabpen vape skibidi fortnite trend or whatevet
I haven’t used all of my PTO for the last couple of years because I haven’t really had the money to enjoy it. While I am salary and didn’t get OT, due to traveling for work and some other oddities working more did generally result in my making more money indirectly. Once I have dug my way out of my debts (college, some medical, nothing that isn’t manageable for me) I plan on taking every day I have and traveling as much as I can, and I want to get to that point as quickly as I can.
It also helps that what I do at work and what I do for fun look so similar that even coworkers looking over my shoulder at what I am working would have no idea if what I am doing is for work or myself, so I can get a fair amount of screwing around on company time in which helps prevent burnout.
Not quite the focus of this article, but I’ve personally ‘worked from home’ while on kind of a soft vacation.
During Covid, found a great trail which had alright cell reception at the summit. I had a few days where I’d go hiking in the morning and work on my hotspot for near the top. Had a few weeks off and on working on a balcony in Florida overlooking the beach. There’s definitely some out there taking full days off and doing nothing, but I feel like a lot of the mentioned ‘time off without telling your boss’ is probably closer to situations like that.
This article is class war propaganda!
This is what the ceos think is happening so they print this to use as an example of why we need to come back to offices.
I have “unlimited PTO” at my office, which sounds nice, but what it effectively means is that you now have to police yourself, to determine whether or not you’re taking off “too much.” Which ends up meaning that the vast majority of employees take less PTO than they’re entitled to (or if they were just given a set amount to take each year), because they’re afraid of being seen as a slacker, or someone who is taking advantage of the PTO policy. Since there are no set guidelines, it means it’s left up to you to decide how fearful of unemployment you are, and how much you let that influence your vacation days.
Out of “Unlimited PTO,” I take about 7-10 days off a year 🙃
You should call their bluff. I worked at a place like that and took a ton of PTO lol. It was fine. If they say you take too much then it’s not unlimited so they aren’t going to say anything because the other people still take less anyways.
The first management job I accepted (as opposed to being promoted into), when discussing compensation a had forgotten to ask about PTO. I called the hiring manager back and asked him how much there was for the position and he said, “more than you’ll be able to take.”
I think that’s pretty typical of middle management.
I get 10 hours PTO every quarter (max is 80) I use every goddamm minute of it. I also get 3 weeks vacation which until they fucked us and made it recurring I am unable to use all 3 weeks by end of year. They also you can only take blocks of 4 hours at a time that also sucks.
They at least let us roll it over into the next year. So I will be holding up a shit ton so next year taking two vacations one in May and one in either in June or July then still have enough for October.
Fuck recurring vacation time it’s bullshit.
Wait what? So you can’t ever take a full day or days off?
No you can but I can’t say take 3 hours of vacation. Its either 4 or more. PTO can use as much as you have.
And here I am with 35 days, which we’re expected to take.
I have “unlimited” with the handbook specifically saying we’re to take at least four weeks a year, and it’s the first time in my career I’ve actually been getting time off because of it. Everywhere non unlimited it was never actually approved and I’d get a lousy check every year for it. You know what’s way better than money? Time off.
If you and your coworkers aren’t using your benefit perhaps you all should discuss it and work out reasonable minimums you all expect to take and then take it. And don’t judge your coworkers for taking any of it.
Maybe they’re not nervous, maybe they know there’s no point in asking for something they will never get in the corporate world of the 21st century.
thats a shitty photo shop on that computer. Probably had to fake it because its a dumbass idea
Millennials are basically 80% of the average tech company. We can just call them “employees” now.
And of course they are.
“bosses keep trying to come up with new words for ‘not doing extra work for free’”
I don’t think it’s bosses actually. I think this is the runaway click bait machine of “business outlets” trying to recapture the unexpected success of the whole “quiet quitting” thing they celebrated themselves for reinventing. “Stille Kündigung” is the literal translation for quiet quitting in German and it has been around for years, referring to an employee who has already decided that they wanna quit and mentally cut all ties to their jobs but haven’t acted on this yet. But even in Germany, the business media kept yapping about 'quiet quitting ’ as if it was something new and something to be afraid of…
- the previous time this went through the media, they were calling it “resenteeism” (OMG, employees hate their jobs!)
- “bosses” referring to the “owning class”, the same group of people who control our lives controls the media narrative (like Jeff Bezos owning both Amazon and The Washington Post)
- in the US, “quiet quitting” was never about actually quitting, it was just a way to denigrate workers who only worked their listed hours, workers who wouldn’t do unpaid overtime
That’s what media tried to sell as “quiet quitting” here as well. They used the English term instead of the German one to make it appear as something new, cursing “gen Z” for not wanting to do overtime and such (which in reality is not a gen Z, but a Baby boomer thing here in Germany) which came out of fucking nowhere.
On the other side, someone who’s gotten into a “Stille Kündigung” mindset might not even quit. They’ll just withdraw to a point where the barely meet the minimum requirements for their job, become passive and inflexible. It’s usually seen as the ultimate consequence when employers disappoint someone too often and seen as something unrecoverable and to be avoided.
Boy I’m getting super sick of these, “Millennials are doing this ____ , gen Zers are ruining that ____ , boomers are mad about ____” articles. Having one less thing to divide us as people would be nice right about now.
I wonder when I’ll be regarded as a person/adult.
When you commit a crime.
i see what you did, jaywalker.
Like the movie Jaws, “When do I get to be an islander?”
“Never, you’re not born in the late 40s to mid 60s, you’ll never be an adult.”
We may as well call ourselves the Peter Pan generation.
Peter Pan generation
I’m actually okay with that. Growing up is stupid. Bills and politics and heartburn and hemorrhoids and shit.
You should read up on the Non-Disney version of Peter Pan and why the kids never grew up before you agree to that.
Yeah man I hear you on this. One of my younger coworkers was like “OK boomer” when I told him something, I was like “dude, we are ALL fucking Americans, cut that shit out.” There was a brief moment of lucidity in his eyes, and then it died. I don’t think I got through to him.
You want to really blow his mind? Tell him that the original Generation X were people who were young adults after WWII ended.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X#Terminology_and_etymology
If you really want to blow his mind, tell him that Gen-Z is the generation who were young adults when WWIII started.:-P
The only true generational division is lead poisoning induced aggression Vs micro plastic induced sterility.
Sterility is good though.
Unfortunately, that’s accumulative. I’m fortunate enough to have experienced leaded gasoline as well as a nutsack full of microplastics.
3 more generational disasters to go before you can shout BINGO! Keep it up
Well PFAS is the free square in the middle. Everyone gets that just for playing.
