“so what are you in for?”

lol

no rugrats

Then again, they probably couldn’t be part of EU with something like that on the books, no?

It’s got nothing to do with the EU because it goes back hundreds of years. Ireland joined the EEC 21 years before legalising the gay.

the usual antihomosexuality laws and hangups other Muslim nations have.

This is overstated by liberals who want to create a “West = pro-gay”, “Rest = anti-gay” narrative

I’m not sure it has ever been true that the Woids love gays and the Muslims hate them.

PDF warning: “Europeans at the beginning of the nineteenth century referred to same-sex relations and homoerotic behavior as the “‘Persian disease,’ ‘Turkish disease,’ or the ‘Egyptian vice’ ””

Scholars wrote “Persian literature is essentially a homosexual literature”

Contemporary to this, the Brits are doing Oscar Wilde to death for sodomy. And the Ottomans were gaying it up, creating the modern idea of a Turkish Bathhouse. And which Empire governed Palestine until 1917? And which Empire took it over after that?

It was the British who passed anti-gay laws in Palestine, it having been legal under Muslim rulers.

Don’t buy into the liberal idea that Muslim=anti-gay. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Gayest culture I’ve ever seen.

I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?

Well the future doens’t permit accurate predictions.

Ahmad Yusuf, the deputy foreign minister of Hamas, said in 2010 that he wanted a country like Turkey, not like the Taliban:

According to Yusuf, who said he is writing a book called “Erdoğan and a New Strategic Vision,” the Taliban is “opposed to everything,” including education and women’s rights. “Erdoğan’s model, on the other hand, is liberal. It is a model that dares to take responsibility and change things and establishes good relations between the religious and secular elements of society,” he said. “It is a model that works for democracy and human rights, and supports an open society. That is what we want.”

inb4 Woids saying Erdoğan isn’t liberal enough for them: homosexuality is not criminalised in Turkey, Bülent Ersoy is a major celebrity.

I’m not praising Turkey, I’d see Erdoğan gone if I could, I’m just getting some facts out b4 Woids say Turkey is Muslim therefore intolerant. It has freedom of religion too.

Also worth mentioning that Ahmad Yusuf is one politician among many, expressing one possible vision for the future of Palestine. There are other political currents swirling internally.

So the wonderful thing about anti-colonial movements is that even if they start right wing they have to get more left wing as time progresses, simply due to the power dynamics that are created through the process of throwing out the imperialists.

This is a bizarre claim.

Congo got more right-wing shortly after independence. So did Tanzania.

Ireland fought a civil war against its anti-colonial left to ensure a right-wing state.

India is now very right wing after independence.

You’re stating this like some sort of rule of history.

Most things emerge from complex systems.

“A causes B” or “B causes A” sounds tidy, but obscures the reality.