• dalekcaan@feddit.nl
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    3 months ago

    A reddit mod for a mensa sub sounds like possible the most insufferable combination imaginable

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      If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?

      The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That’s just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.

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        As far as I can tell, most people out there have expectations about high IQ people which are straight out of Hollywood films and wholly unrealistic, so best just leave then with whatever de facto impression of brightness they have about you than mention a number and trigger the “Mental Superman” expectations.

        Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is” - if you’re really that bright, brave, strong, beautiful, confident and so on, there is no need to mention it since it’s generally obvious to others.

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          Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is”

          Or it’s your only quality. The main reason to join Mensa is that you haven’t accomplished anything better since the IQ test you took as a youth.

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            As I see it, that’s both a problem of low self-confidence and passiveness (or maybe underdeveloped values).

            For the first, we all have several qualities, but people often don’t recognize or value certain qualities, especially people driven mainly by what they think others value and hence who end up valuing pretty much just the qualities modern Society focuses on - namely Wealth, Beauty and Brains - which is a typical low self-confidence thing.

            For the rest, as I see it, having some inherent quality that one was born with isn’t exactly something deserving of much pride because it’s not something one did anything to achieve. If that much one’s parents deserve the recognition for the “achievement”, though they didn’t actually do it on purpose, so maybe not even them. Having pride in being born with a high IQ makes about as much sense as having pride in being born in a rich family: it’s masturbatory ego stroking about one’s luck rather than a celebration of one’s successes.

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              That’s pretty much what I mean. If the thing one the most proud of is a high IQ, then that person probably doesn’t have a lot going for them.

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        Obfuscate your intelligence? Being a reddit mod sounds like it’s part of the plan, then.

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        Eh, intelligence is fluid and the whole concept of a single IQ score is broken. Someone with a high IQ can be real-world dumb and someone bad at school math can become a genious engineer. And both can be equally good or bad at politics. It’s all just skills. What matters is mental flexibility (how well you halves are connected) and a healthy image of self and others.

        As long as you try to keep a flexible viewpoint and to experience new things now and then, you’re doing more for your skull muscle than most.

        Edit: ok, training your visual-conceptual imaginative power seems to be beneficial overall.

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    as someone who qualifies for mensa but like, i ain’t paying a subscription fee to be in the smart people club, that sounds really dumb (and also IQ testing is sketchy at best to begin with)

    yes, i always appreciate a big booty, on any ethnicity or gender, so latinas are indeed included

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      I took their online test out of curiosity and it said I was qualified to join. It was interesting to figure out the mechanism of it though.

      From what I gathered, it seems what they’re really measuring is your capacity for pattern recognition and association or something along those lines.

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        Isn’t this what most of IQ tests do? I sometimes take them because it’s fun to solve the pattern tasks but I feel like it’s nearly impossible to test the really interesting things like transfer and problem solving capabilities in a reliable way at least in this kind of way.

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        I was curious too. I heard that online test didn’t mean shit, so I did an “official” Mensa Test and well, trust me, you don’t want to join.

        following is a summary of a real conversation that I witnessed:

        A parent sought advice, their child would fake being sick to avoid school within the first 2 weeks of the first school year. After some conversation, the parent expresses 2 opinions, 1. that they think their child gets bullied and 2. That the child couldn’t express themself well enough to communicate what the issue is. So they just assumed that their child gets bullied, because if my child would tell me that their classmates are mean, I would call that express themself quite well for that age. Then in the conversation, they talk about how they thought their child how to write and read. So they are wondering why their child doesn’t want to go to school after their child was forced to sit in a chair for hours, being taught the alphabet for hours that the child already knew. I wonder 🤔 can someone here tell us why the child doesn’t want to sit in a chair for hours, writing down the same letter again and again as practice for something that they are already able to do? Does someone know?

        They really couldn’t figure that one out.

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      Exactly! Mensa is essentially the filter for people who think they’re smart but actually aren’t.

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        People at the peak Dunning-Kruger point of intelligence - just above average intelligent enough to feel they’re “above” most people but not enough to properly understand the full nature of intelligence and its limits.

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      Haha I always thought that people running mensa are the real geniuses for basically selling self-esteem

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      IQ testing as many other things, has racist origins and is for all intents and purposes quite useless imo

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        In the process of diagnosing ADHS (dyslexia, other) disabilities, a IQ test is used to establish a baseline of what other people with a similar result can and cannot do and this is compared to what you can and cannot do.

        IQ tests do have uses.

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          Yup, just like BMI. It’s useful for things and the doctors are aware it isn’t perfect but that’s not what the general population thinks.

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          dang, i wish they did that for my adhd diagnosis, because i kept looking normal on my tests and had to go on a manhunt to find a doctor who has adhd as well, so they could just vibe check me (and i did, but before that i spent a lot of money on futile tests)

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      whereas conservative almost always look within their own ethnicity first

      Funnily enough, I don’t really see that happen. At least in my group of friends, the ones with the Filipino wives (and other wives from far away) are usually very conservative. They are then also very happy to talk badly about her family, her relatives and people from her country in general, but “she’s one of the good ones”.

      Maybe it’s due to the fact that they can’t find a local woman who’d accept them, and that way they get a wife with very conservative values who’s also happy to talk badly about her family/relatives/people.

      (Also, the fact that it’s illegal for Filipinos to get a divorce, with the only exception being if they are married to a foreigner and that foreigner starts the divorce process outside of the Philippines might be seen as a bonus by these guys.)

    • This is 100% anecdote, but one day, I guarantee, the research and science will back me up on this, as soon as someone conducts it.

      What’s stopping you? Haven’t you heard that the only difference between science and screwing around is writing things down? Start screwing around and writing down your findings!

    • Numuruzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Mensa is “the high IQ society”. Take that how you will, membership is mostly used for bragging rights and/or being pretentious.

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        The impression I get is that it was more relevant before the internet. Like, you’d be living in bumfuck Nebraska and take an IQ test in high school to see if you should be a trucker or farmer, and then a couple weeks later you get a letter asking if you wanna be part of a club of smart people who have a magazine and meet every once in a while.

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      I went to college with a kid who introduced himself to the class as a Mensa member on day 1. it was a logics class.

      halfway through the semester I argued my point logically against him in a debate in front of the class and won. he was embarrassed as fuck and as red as a tomato. he was so pissed that he lost against me because he believed I was inferior to him.

      my tactic was to get him emotionally flustered on his stance, which he vehemently believed in, and argue logical arguments regardless of their logical context to his stance.

      for example if his stance was “all abortions are wrong.” my argument was, “if abortions are wrong and death is wrong then abortions that save life are right because abortions don’t kill people. so if abortions don’t kill people all abortions are right.” cue up a tit for tat back and forth for 15 minutes and I win the debate point for point.

      anyway, we didn’t see him for the rest of the semester and he dropped out entirely.

      I kinda feel bad a bit because it was clear he was on the spectrum and I used that to my advantage but the dude was a dick.

      point is Mensa is a dick stroking competition and you’re better off avoiding it.

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            it wasn’t a debate class. the debates were merely a vessel to convey the logical process. we took time to dissect each of the arguments, which were written before hand and shared with the class. just as the “debate” took place. the rules were pretty simple

            • teams were identified early, so you knew who you were debating
            • topics were identified at the same time.
            • write as many arguments(“ammo”) as you can think of on one sheet of paper(front and back)
            • use one class period to work through the logical arguments to ensure they are logically sound, can use the aid of the teacher
            • you can only use your “ammo” and cannot deviate from it or make new ones up on the spot
            • if you run out of “ammo” or cannot use the “ammo” you have you must concede

            so before the debate I already knew the topic and person I was going against. I already profiled him and knew if I overwhelmed him there was no way I’d lose. my arguments weren’t factually backed, but logically sound. I don’t know how many arguments I wrote, but it was probably at least 50. all with varying degrees of potential that could be used against anything he could throw at me. god, Jesus, Satan, whores, sluts, incest, rape. all of it was there.

            he brought a knife to a gun fight and I beat the shit out of him with a baseball bat.

            the teacher actually approached me after the semester and commented that I seemed to have a deep understanding of logical thought and I should probably pursue a career in software or become a paralegal. it was his last semester teaching there and I’d like to think I made it memorable 😅. it still is one of my favorite classes in college. a close second and third were my classes in psychology and sociology.

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            I know, but this wasn’t the case

            my tactic was to get him emotionally flustered on his stance, which he vehemently believed in, and argue logical arguments regardless of their logical context to his stance.

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        damn i guess it’s secret information
        i love being left out

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          It’s an organization or club or something where the criteria for joining is having an IQ above whatever their minimum is. (Like 120 or something maybe?)