Fuck that. They can collectively shout into this asshole. All we gotta do is start a counter movement. Which I guarantee will be easier to grow than Collective Prudes.
You can’t just wait until you’re mad to do something. It takes years building networks and getting everyone on board.
Totally doable if people had a bit of common sense but the reason why the right are kicking ass and doing this stuff is because people now are pretty brain washed and can’t figure out how most of the stuff that fight for are also the things they need to stop in order to prevent this stuff. But because they will never figure that out, you’ll never get anywhere.
Tbh, I didnt know this group exists until this happened. So sometimes an event happens, you get mad, and you do something about it. Thats usually how most people come to action.
All we gotta do is start a counter movement. Which I guarantee will be easier to grow than Collective Prudes.
My guess — and I haven’t seen anything where payment processors have released any details of what Collective Shout did – is that Collective Shout didn’t just call Visa and say “we don’t like this”. They probably found some sort of law, maybe in Australia, that processing payments for these violates, and had their lawyer send a nastygram to payment processors about it. The payment processors sent their own warning letters to the merchants.
Like, the reason payment processors are useful as leverage for countries is because countries can put pressure on them, because payment processors do business all over and are gonna be skittish about violating laws in a bunch of countries, can get cut off from doing business there. And any one retailer just isn’t big enough for them to be worried about cutting off compared to getting cut off from a country.
If you want to put pressure on payment processors, I’d guess that you’re probably going to have to have some kind of law to threaten payment processor with on the grounds that processing payments to Steam and itch.io and other retailers and so forth when they are deindexing games results in some kind of legal violation. I’m not saying that that’s impossible, but it’s probably harder to do than it is for Collective Shout is to pull their shennanigans.
I’d also note that it is not at all clear that the present situation is the final state of affairs. That is, what my guess is that Valve and itch.io and so forth did is that they got their nastygram from the payment processors, then went to talk to their own lawyers. It’s entirely possible that after those lawyers have a look at it, they’re going to say “you can’t sell Game X in Country Z”, and Valve will just restrict the regions where they sell those games. That is, I would not be surprised if the scope on this restriction narrows, and Valve and itch.io are just playing it safe until they’re confident as of their legal position.
The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
— John Gilmore, founding member Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
In its original form, it meant that the Usenet software (which moves messages around in discussion newsgroups) was resistant to censorship because, if a node drops certain messages because it doesn’t like their subject, the messages find their way past that node anyway by some other route. This is also a reference to the packet-routing protocols that the Internet uses to direct packets around any broken wires or fiber connections or routers. (They don’t redirect around selective censorship, but they do recover if an entire node is shut down to censor it.)
— also Gilmore
Gilmore also stated that the denotation of the saying has broadened over time:
The meaning of the phrase has grown through the years. Internet users have proven it time after time, by personally and publicly replicating information that is threatened with destruction or censorship. If you now consider the Net to be not only the wires and machines, but the people and their social structures who use the machines, it is more true than ever.
I am generally bearish on the future of Internet censorship. The Internet helps facilitate some things that one might not like, extensive profiling. But it also is very good at distributing information, and I think that in general, the availability of information in the future will be greater than in the past. I do not think it likely that our future will, on the balance, be more-censorious than our past.
I say that we must take a revenge… I am very angry for the freedom of expression and respect to individual rights. It is simply a nazi organization disguised in Christian clothes.
And he despised the rich. Turns out Christianity today is what it always has been, consolidation of (male) wealth and power. It never really had much to do with the teachings of Jesus
Feel free to provide the Australian equivalent of the quote if there is one. The country can be substituted for any not-yet-Fascist-controlled country and still apply, in my opinion.
Different countries might have different symbolism instead of a flag and cross, but the sentiment is that Fascism disguises itself and evolves to fit in wherever it goes.
Fuck that. They can collectively shout into this asshole. All we gotta do is start a counter movement. Which I guarantee will be easier to grow than Collective Prudes.
We do have this petition for now link
That’s fine, but what if they say
Lol what are you people ever going to do.
You can’t just wait until you’re mad to do something. It takes years building networks and getting everyone on board.
Totally doable if people had a bit of common sense but the reason why the right are kicking ass and doing this stuff is because people now are pretty brain washed and can’t figure out how most of the stuff that fight for are also the things they need to stop in order to prevent this stuff. But because they will never figure that out, you’ll never get anywhere.
Tbh, I didnt know this group exists until this happened. So sometimes an event happens, you get mad, and you do something about it. Thats usually how most people come to action.
My guess — and I haven’t seen anything where payment processors have released any details of what Collective Shout did – is that Collective Shout didn’t just call Visa and say “we don’t like this”. They probably found some sort of law, maybe in Australia, that processing payments for these violates, and had their lawyer send a nastygram to payment processors about it. The payment processors sent their own warning letters to the merchants.
Like, the reason payment processors are useful as leverage for countries is because countries can put pressure on them, because payment processors do business all over and are gonna be skittish about violating laws in a bunch of countries, can get cut off from doing business there. And any one retailer just isn’t big enough for them to be worried about cutting off compared to getting cut off from a country.
If you want to put pressure on payment processors, I’d guess that you’re probably going to have to have some kind of law to threaten payment processor with on the grounds that processing payments to Steam and itch.io and other retailers and so forth when they are deindexing games results in some kind of legal violation. I’m not saying that that’s impossible, but it’s probably harder to do than it is for Collective Shout is to pull their shennanigans.
I’d also note that it is not at all clear that the present situation is the final state of affairs. That is, what my guess is that Valve and itch.io and so forth did is that they got their nastygram from the payment processors, then went to talk to their own lawyers. It’s entirely possible that after those lawyers have a look at it, they’re going to say “you can’t sell Game X in Country Z”, and Valve will just restrict the regions where they sell those games. That is, I would not be surprised if the scope on this restriction narrows, and Valve and itch.io are just playing it safe until they’re confident as of their legal position.
Also, relevant:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/07/12/censor/
— John Gilmore, founding member Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
— also Gilmore
I am generally bearish on the future of Internet censorship. The Internet helps facilitate some things that one might not like, extensive profiling. But it also is very good at distributing information, and I think that in general, the availability of information in the future will be greater than in the past. I do not think it likely that our future will, on the balance, be more-censorious than our past.
I say that we must take a revenge… I am very angry for the freedom of expression and respect to individual rights. It is simply a nazi organization disguised in Christian clothes.
Each sect of the insane Yahweh-cult has a way bigger body count than the Nazis ever accomplished.
You’re making it sound like this isn’t straight up Christianity.
For this one Christianity is to blame, not Nazis.
Ironic, considering some of Jesus’s best friends were hoes
What’s Jesus have to do with Christianity? Christianity has always been Paul’s religion, not Jesus’.
And he despised the rich. Turns out Christianity today is what it always has been, consolidation of (male) wealth and power. It never really had much to do with the teachings of Jesus
My brother in Christ, it’s all the same ideals.
“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
Except Collective Shout is Australian (which is unsurprising, considering that AUS is also a hotbed of hate groups).
Feel free to provide the Australian equivalent of the quote if there is one. The country can be substituted for any not-yet-Fascist-controlled country and still apply, in my opinion.
Different countries might have different symbolism instead of a flag and cross, but the sentiment is that Fascism disguises itself and evolves to fit in wherever it goes.
What’s Pangaea got to do with this?