When we need to know each others location, we share it via element / matrix. Our own server, so no third party.
Happens maybe four times a year.
(Also, do you just always have location services enabled?? IMO it’s a battery drain, I pretty much only enable it for this and while I need to navigate)
I don’t want to share my location nor have anyone else’s shared with me.
Friends and partners can text “I’ll be there in 5”
My friend shares her location with her mother. Her mother then nags her with like “Are you seeing someone new? You’re spending a lot of time in north brooklyn now.” Like, who needs that, or even the temptation of that?
A tech solution is not going to fix a social/mental problem like fear of cheating.
Hell, my wife generally knows where I’m going when I go out but only because I want to tell her and usually invite her. I’d hate for her to be able to ask why I’m at a restaurant instead of the bar I said I was going to, even if I’ll tell her about it when I get home
My partner and I share locations. We check sometimes how far away from home they are when walking the dog, or coming from work. Also handy when one of us “loses” their phone and the other can see it’s at home/in the car/at work. But we have trust, and don’t need to check where the other is spending time.
“safety is certainly a big part of the appeal for many users – so I allow the app to alert him each time I reach my front door.” I’m finding that people are irrationally paranoid these days. They see random acts of violence in the news and think it might happen to them but its so statistically unlikely given these are already unlikely events and these people usually middle class people living in nice areas.
Humans are awful at accessing risk and chance, one of the reasons casinos and lotteries thrive.
Look at fear of flying for an example, all statistics say you are many many many times over more likely to get into a car accident on your way to the airport, than during the flight. Even when the ride to the airport is usually short and the flight very long. Yet people are afraid of flying, but not going by car. By percentage, there are of course those, rightly so, afraid of cars as well.
the flight very long.
IIRC most accidents happen during take-off/landing.
Once you’re up there it’s chill.It doesn’t really matter how you measure it, number of flights, duration, distance traveled, etc… No matter which, air travel is by far the safest option. The only other that comes anywhere near is trains. Going by car is bad (though motorcycle is even worse), but so many are afraid of flying that they instead takes the car. Which is among the worst things you could do from a safety point of view.
Risk assessment is probability and severity. The probability can be vanishingly low, but if the severity is astoundingly high then acting like a high risk situation could be appropriate.
Take asteroids. The last planet killer to hit us was 94million years ago. A rudimentary estimate could put the probably as 1:94mil. The severity of an asteroid impact of that magnitude is off the charts, so it is reasonable to consider it a risk and act accordingly to spend resources to search for and track asteroid trajectories.
The severity of abduction, murder, and rape is probably pretty high for most people, so considering it a risk even with a very small probability is not unreasonable.
Location sharing doesn’t prevent any of that though?
Like, no criminal who would want to rape/murder/abduct you knows whether you are sharing your location with anyone. They would do so regardless before anyone can arrive to help you.
Also, no kidnapper on this planet is stupid enough to take your phone with them. You have a slightly higher chance for authorities to be alerted sooner but that’s about it.
Oh yeah, location sharing will have almost no effect those risks. Totally agree.
Just disagreeing that low probability of occurrence automatically means the risk assessment should be low.
They see random acts of violence in the news
Which is the only thing the news shows them to begin with… almost as if they cherry-pick stuff.
BREAKING NEWS: Girl gets home safely after night out. More at 11.
Safety concerns aside, you should trust your partner enough to not need to track them
For me, knowing my spouse’s location is just convenient for knowing ETA without bothering her. It’s not really about trust at all
I figure if my phone manufacturer and cell providers are tracking me all day, why not also my closest friends and family.
Same. We both follow each other and neither of us care. We mostly have it enabled for the “just in case” scenario that anything happens to one of us. We can make sure that we know of our last known location.
I’ve also had her use it one time I was away from home in NYC. And I was too drunk to figure out which subway to take to get back to my hotel. So she walked me through step by step while on the phone with me. It fucking rocked.
Exactly my thought. It’s nothing to do with jealousy and just kind of convenient if you need to meet up or are seeing if they’re on their way home and can get dinner started or whatever.
Exactly. My girlfriend will disappear for an entire day and not come home until 10pm. I usually have no idea where she is or what she’s doing (mainly because I forget due to having ADHD), but I don’t worry about it because I know she’ll never cheat. How can a person even be with someone who they don’t trust? Without trust, there is no relationship IMO.
There is the case of the worriers. People who, when not given positive confirmation otherwise, assume the worst. I’m not talking cheating, but like accidents. “He’s 5 minutes late, maybe he got in a car accident and died!” It’s not healthy, but it is common and isn’t a trust issue.That said, my partner doesn’t get to track me, and I have no interest in tracking them.
I don’t think enabling it is a good idea though. Yeah, they might be worried, but they need to learn to handle those thoughts. Feeding them can only make it worse.
I mean that’s me to a T but I just suppress those thoughts.
that doesn’t always work out the way you’re expecting though, but I agree, trust should be opt-out.
If a partner demand they have it on to prove they’re not cheating, then they should be looking for a different partner.
I’ve already solved that by not finding a partner 😎👎
The partner demanding that is projecting like a Barco DP2K-32B.
Relationships based on trust?!
Surely you jest!There should also be enough trust for either side to never use it except for emergencies.
Of all the dystopian things, this is probably the most dystopian thing I’ve read lately.
This is horrible.
People my age have their whole friend groups on location sharing apps like that, it’s awful.
Witch your age group. Do you mind giving examples where it’s been helpful and maybe examples when it’s not been so helpful?
Like 16-17, I don’t talk to the people that do that too much because they’re not the type of person I like hanging out with, so I don’t really know why they do it.
It’s like an extension of their group chats, on snapchat.
Why, though?
Wtf? Is this the outcome of growing up with helicopter parents or were are those trust issues coming from?
Helicopter parents have got nothing to do with it.
I’m assuming this is a young group, and they’ve grown up in the always-connected, always-surveilled modern world.
I’ve met plenty of people that are surprised or even suspicious when I say that I try to avoid corporations and governments tracking me. I guess the Overton window has shifted so that people expect and accept constant surveillance.
As a fairly privacy conscious person, I also expect and accept that it’s happening too. I don’t think you can be privacy conscious and not accept that. You have to be ignorant to think you can hide it all. I do my best to keep as much data out of their hands as possible though. I don’t agree with it.
When I say accept, I don’t mean live in denial, I mean acquiesce. I resist it, whether that be by avoiding services/products, paying for premium, installing ad blockers or modding things to remove telemetry.
I am aware that my phone company knows where I am and I’m on cameras, but I’m not going to make it easy for the next Cambridge Analytica.
It’s nothing about trust issues- privacy is just a foreign concept to that generation. It was dead and gone before they were born. They take for granted that eveyone has their phone on them at all times and is never unreachable, so knowing where all your friends are is just a matter of convenience.
I’ve actually done a little to combat this, in my personal life (apart from ordinary privacy stuff like librewolf und Linux). I got so sick of the majority of my friends expecting me to reply to every text message within 30 minutes, and then getting extremely offended when I didn’t (simply because I don’t look at my phone that often), that I turned off read-receipts on all my messaging apps, and set my notifications to only arrive in groups at specific times of day.
Then I made a habit of not answering unimportant messages for a few days, until I got the reputation that I pretty much don’t use my phone (I also don’t use conventional social media, and none of my friends even know I’m in lemmy). This worked like a charm! My social life much, much less stressful.
I’ve broken the absurd contract that so many people seem to think they have a right to. My time is now my own. I can highly recommend this system! Of course, I can’t do it for work-related stuff, but it still really has reduced my stress by a lot.
Most people my age that I know have location tracking shared with SO’s. It’s considered a step in the relationship.
Grim
It’s be a step out of the relationship with me.
I noticed this becoming more common. Young people do so enjoyably. Old people I hear talk about it, it sounds controlling and bordering on unhinged paranoia. Those young people will be old someday too along with whatever sorts of paranoias they develop like all people seem to do
At least when they get lost because of dementia it’ll be easy to find them.
Kids these days® were born into a world of surveillance capitalism, so they have no reference to compare it to.
I don’t know, it’s a pointless thing that I just forgot to turn off at some point. I couldn’t care less if she knows where I am and sometimes I do what her to know, like when I go hiking alone.
I have my mom’s location, and it’s good because she just turned 64 (I think) five minutes ago, I need to wish her a happy birthday, appreciate the reminder. But when she travels out alone, sometimes it’s nice to know she got back to her hotel without having to bother her about it, so we do the sharing thing. And for hiking alone, sharing your location with someone beforehand just seems like a good idea.
This article is dumb. Location sharing is silly. People will abuse it, and those same people would’ve found some other way to abuse the trust in their relationships anyway. I had girlfriends as a kid who’d demand calls when I was at a party they weren’t at. Dealing with a lack of trust in a relationship is a growing pain.
Dealing with a lack of trust in a relationship is
done by leaving said relationship.
Are you happy with the company that makes the app and the 71960 partner companies with “legitimate interest” knowing where you are all the time too?
I don’t know why I hadn’t thought about it. For sure I don’t. I hoped that it was secure in some way. Yeah that’s kind of really bad lol
Might I suggest this: https://www.zood.xyz/
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Since you’re one of the few people that admit to you and your partner using it: What do you think about the company knowing where you are at all times?
Yes, somebody pointed that out already. I need to find out more about how it’s done.
If your partner doesn’t abuse it is fine, but that’s also possible to change at any time.
Further most people don’t know they are in abusive relationships even if it is obvious to others around them so the casually dismissive argument “well abusive couples shouldn’t use it” is a trash argument.
Whether you know it or not does not change the message. Abusive couples shouldn’t not use this app, they shouldn’t be couples.
My point is when people use this argument “Well abusive couples just shouldn’t be couples!” it is a way to dismiss the danger of never ending surveillance that makes an INCREDIBLY problematic leap of condemning people falling into abusive relationships to simply suffer, tough luck… and it demonstrates a callous, ineffective and frankly worrying understanding of how abusive relationships formed in general.
It doesn’t dismiss anything. It’s just a statement of fact. Certainly in certain contexts it could be interpreted that way.
Yeah, it is possible to be totally sane about it.
This is dumb. Young couples have been plagued by insecurity long before location sharing. Dial the clock back 20 years and I’m your typical high school boy worried about his girlfriend.
I share my location with my wife, and even some buddies of mine. My wife has seen my location when I was at someone’s bachelor party. It has nothing to do with sharing location and everything to do with trust in your relationship. I don’t have her location to keep tabs on her. I have her location so we can better figure out how to get our kids from places. I have my buddies’ locations so if I end up grabbing a beer, I know who’s out and about, or when someone goes to Tanzania, I can say, Joe, what the hell are you doing in Tanzania?
Before location sharing you texted, or you called, or you hit me on my pager, or sent me a letter. Technology isn’t the problem, it’s – once again – just us dumb people being dumb.
What’s wrong with giving the spouse a quick call when they’re worried about them? Fuck sharing your location, what kind of dumb shit is this? If anything, sharing your location might actually make them paranoid in the first place, as they might try to interpret things in your movement. The hell is wrong with people? I’ve never heard of this behavior, is this something Americans do?
I’ll look and see my wife is distant and I’ll shoot her a text and say “Grabbing the kids.” We each work jobs that take us different places every day (her more than me since COVID), and so we aren’t able to rely on some set pattern. I’m able to just see where she is and make a decision. Half the time she’s in the car she’s on the phone for some meeting and so I can’t call. It just makes things easier. I can’t fathom why it upsets you so much, but if you wanna chalk it up to America bad, you do you.
It might have to do with how much Americans must work and sit in a car every day I guess. I suppose that sort of workflow makes sense. But then I’ll definitely chalk it up to America bad. Thats not a life I’d want to live.
The US is the most selfconfident, “personally successful so me and my family are fine :)” country about to go into a second great depression on earth.
call? what kind of dumb shit is that?
Yeah, a call. A method of communication that instantly conveys emotions and information, which you can even use while driving a car! How about that ey?
I have friends who ask “why can’t you just text like a normal human” when I call.
I am of multiple minds on it.
I very much do like the idea of sharing your location (once you are in a committed relationship). Knowing when your partner is coming home or stuck at work or at the grocery store is useful. Same with knowing that someone can check in on you if something horrible happens. And I have 100% shared my location temporarily for that.
The problem is that… you don’t always want to do that. And explaining that becomes a mess.
At its core it is opt in versus opt out but it also can trigger the kinds of conversations that are really better suited to a lot later in a relationship. Like with prenups. There are a lot of REALLY REALLY REALLY good reasons to have them but it is the kind of topic that you can’t even raise without having the implication of “I don’t trust you”.
First step - get a gf
Just treat them like regular people, like you would anyone else, and they’ll come to you. Basically, you don’t have to hit on them. Just be their friend. Let it happen naturally.
I kind of don’t want to send my location to “location sharing” companies to sell to data brokers.
I do this location sharing with someone.
The only time it crosses my mind to check it is when they are coming to visit or we are otherwise traveling or meeting up.
I thankful for whatever makes it easy for me to just be chill about it. It’s nice to not have to manually mess with an app when needed. And it’s there in an emergency.
Edit: oh shit. This reminds me that I saw one of those 360 something ads recently. I usually avoid tv ads, but happened to see one. It was unhinged in how it was stoking paranoia to sell the tracking. It was targeted at parents.
Life360?
That sounds right
I know several people that do this, but most often it’s parents with kids. That’s still not an excuse though as there deserve their own privacy. In all cases that I’ve seen though, it’s through Apple/iPhones. Now I’m not saying Android users can’t or don’t do this, but Apple makes it so easy, that it’s everywhere and I hate that.
My wife and I work different schedules. on the rare day off that were both home, she’s often out of the house when I wake up. She’s not great at replying to texts. I never know when she’s going to be home, and usually have no clue what she’s out doing or where.
But I know who she’s doing while she’s gone- no one. Because I trust my wife. I know who she is as a person, I know what our relationship is like.
I have no particular desire to know her location at all times. I’m sure if I asked, she’d share it with me, and I’d do the same for her. I might occasionally do that when I’m off hiking or something in case there’s an emergency, but half the time I wouldn’t have a signal anyway.
We are two humans with our own lives. Those lives are very intertwined, but we’re both allowed to go off and have our own adventures, occasionally some secrets, and we don’t need to know where each other is 24/7
I’m pretty sure she’ll think I’m about to pop out from behind a car to scare her.
