Not me though. I work 8 hours a day, 50 days a week while shaking my head so everyone knows I disapprove of the situation.
I do think a large part of the “wrong” part of this is due to the US(Lemmy?(Earlier: Reddit)) mindset that you should hate your coworkers for some reason.
I am fairly good friends with all my coworkers. Very good in some cases. I am with these people up to 8 hours a day, and I’m having a blast.
I don’t think it’s the concept of work that is the problem here. I might guess it’s the culture that incenticed pushing those around you down to get a foot up
I love work. I love the people I work with. I love putting out a product that is needed by the world.
I’m sorry that some hate their job.
I think Americans often separate their work and personal lives.
Not because they dislike their coworkers, but the relationships with coworkers isn’t safe.
Literally any random thing can get you fired in the US, and trusting your coworkers with personal info increases the chances of this a ton.
I can not afford to have personal relationships with my coworkers because if 1 wrong thing gets said i become homeless.
This makes sense. But it sounds miserable to be honest, you spend upwards to 8 hours a day with these people so i would have to imagine it affects productivity in a bad way
This is a bit of a generalization. I’ve come away from work with some very good friends. But I’ve also been in the situation where socializing was specifically disincentivized. The work culture matters a lot; if you’re micromanaged every minute of the day you’re going to have a bad time. What you’re describing sounds to me like more specifically corporate culture, and more in the executive realm than your average worker bee.
Perhaps it’s trite to say so but if anything, the fact that so many people hate their job is above all an indictment of capitalism.
the US(Lemmy?(Earlier: Reddit)) mindset that you should hate your coworkers for some reason.
This is a thing? Wild. I live in the US but I would not have thought that’s a trope for us. I’ve never had a job where coworkers didn’t love hanging out together after work.
I suppose that’s the online origin shining through, perhaps written by more loner-types who may find sociable coworkers irritating. I get it, I’ve rarely been part of the in-group; but I can’t deny that for every loner that hates their coworkers, there are many more that genuinely enjoy each other’s company.
I have found it to be a fairly prominent view, and it drives my crazy for some reason. See for instance this post from a few days ago
I do think it’s a bit more mellow on Lemmy than it was on Reddit. But also a lot more people irrationally angry at anything job related as job=capitalism uwu
That post sounds like it’s made by exactly the kind of person I suspected, haha. My car-break-taking neurodivergent self has been accused of “rudeness” over nothing throughout my life. It’s not a work-specific thing, but a “misunderstanding neurodivergence” thing.
In response I developed a cheery mask that I wear to work. It’s provided cushion and plausible deniability when I screw up, as people are more likely to know I don’t mean any harm. But not everyone can mask, and not everyone wants to mask. It’s a shame that so many people can’t imagine others’ perspectives that we’re all forced to either work at hiding ourselves or be socially shunned.
I like my job and i like my coworkers. The number of hours and the way its scheduled is what drives me crazy. I’m basically on call but i don’t get paid as such. In the future I’m gonna push for a 4 day work week and work slightly longer days.
Unpopular opinion: working ONE full time job for full time hours in exchange for getting paid a living wage with not a lot of absolutely absurd strings and conditions attached to it is actually a good situation to be in. The problem is they want us to work well beyond full time hours, at multiple jobs since the cost of living is price fixed, for less than a living wage while passing thc drug tests every 5 minutes. I want to use my tech degrees for ANYTHING besides primarily passing thc tests, the only goddamn thing they care about most of the time. I thought they needed SKILLS.
This is the worst and stupidest timeline and so is everyone who agrees this is how things should me.
I swear to fuck I’m going to learn 3d modelling and start pumping out bulk quantities of 3d porn for money if I have to but the world is a fucking joke right now.
Move to a legal state.
I understand that you’ll probably say that’s not possible, but there are more and more legal states, and plenty of cheap places in them.
I obviously don’t know what your situation is, but if THC drug tests are causing you this much angst, it’s worth considering.
I’m currently plotting to bullshit my way into some kind of situation that would involve me moving to Minnesota but I don’t yet have any leads. I’ll get it someday.
When anthropologists study people who still hunt and gather for their food (e.g., the Hadza), what they do more than anything is… nothing in particular. Not hunting, foraging, building, repairing weapons/clothing/housing, socializing, etc. just… chilling.
Their lives are incredibly hard and I wouldn’t trade places with them, but the idea that the natural state of people is hustling is false. People hustled for their food, then rested once they had it. Some days they hunt from dawn to dusk, other days they found a beehive and chilled.
Can’t believe people actually allow people like this to have an audience. Have you ever tried to grow enough food to eliminate the need to go to the grocery store?
Gow much land and equipment from grants or my family do i get?
It only feels wrong to me on every level, outside of that it is totally normal.
When it reliably and effectively supplies things like housing and surplus resources people can get real used to the 9-5.
It’s ok if you can retire with benefits and a pension. Anything else is exploitation
It’s not because you have given the best of your health, and the best of your life to corporations. We retire with decaying bodies and minds.
It’s funny to me how some think this is some hidden knowledge. Yeah plenty know it sucks but also know that without work they won’t eat
IMO, that’s the problem. You have to earn a living. As in, you don’t deserve one, you have to earn one.
It’s not that you’ll do without any nice-to-haves if you don’t work, you’ll do without everything if you don’t work. You will literally starve and die.
That’s what’s fucked up to me. If you’re just like, I don’t want to work for a while… Then GFL feeding yourself.
So anyways, I support UBI.
Before money existed you still had to earn your living. We had to hunt, build shelters, collect firewood, process animal skins and such. In modern times society as a whole could help each other out more but there are some issues with a ubi like corporations raising prices constantly to meet the new extra money supply.
I think a better solution would be state run essentials given out for free. Like food banks, free toiletries, social housing etc. You can work if you want better options than what is offered for free but you’ll be able to get food and shelter at the very least even if you dont work. Housing reform as well to bring the cost of living down would let people work positions/hours they want to work instead of what they need to work to afford to survive.
I don’t dislike the idea of state/government subsidies for essentials. Most of that is already in place for many first world countries, in some way, shape, or form.
The problem I have with it is that you need to qualify for the assistance. So you need this whole complicated application and approval system, oversight to ensure that it’s not being taken advantage of, either by the would-be clients, nor the administrative staff managing it, and then that needs to go into paying for housing and whatnot for eligible people, and yatta yatta.
All of that overhead goes away with UBI. Everyone gets it. There’s no disability, no employment insurance, no disability benefits, nothing. If you have citizenship, you get UBI. The amount of UBI deducts from your regular work earnings, so businesses, and the rich are paying the majority of the ubi payouts, and the system is both simplified and streamlined. If you lose your job, or you need to be out of work for a while due to sickness, injury or other issue, no problem, you still get UBI, and nothing changes. You don’t need to apply for disability or short term medical benefits because you now can’t work, because that amount is your UBI.
Additionally, UBI should be tied to the cost of living and/or inflation, as costs rise, so does UBI.
In this way, you dramatically lower the administrative costs and overhead from running such a program, and citizens have peace of mind that they will always be able to afford the basics. Mainly rent, and food.
The market provides all of that to them, rather than needing a complex and approval based benefit system to provide it instead.
It’s so hard to describe how many government services would end up getting folded into UBI. The obvious ones are unemployment services and/or welfare, disability benefits, both for long term and short term disabilities any bursaries or grants given to people for short duration assistance. A huge segment of government work would no longer be needed. And yeah, some of those people will end up unemployed, some will shift over to UBI work… To their benefit, all those freshly unemployed workers have UBI now, so they don’t need to worry about applying for unemployment benefits, they just need to focus on finding new employment if they choose to.
I could rant about it all day. I’ll stop here.
like corporations raising prices constantly to meet the new extra money supply.
People always bring up this point but the idea that prices are an arbitrary number selected by sellers isn’t actually how the economy works. Wealth confers actual agency and leverage. If you have a UBI which functions somehow as redistribution of wealth (ie. funded by taxes on the rich or collective ownership of natural resources rather than by printing more dollars), that is an actual increase in people’s negotiating power on the market, companies can’t just unilaterally undo it or make buyer’s choices for them.
state run essentials given out for free
While this would be much better than nothing and is the better option in specific cases like healthcare where markets are non-functional, something like state housing for the poor is more subject to political backlash. Someone who isn’t in state housing and doesn’t want to be will likely see it as a drain on their resources going to the “other” and seek to chip away or put degrading restrictions on it, while with a UBI a majority of people would be directly made more financially secure in a more efficient and flexible way, so ongoing political support for it could come from all of them.
The 2nd argument you made is also true for people who want to work vs people who don’t. Someone working may feel like their taxes are going to “lazy” people and that hes being robbed of his money.
I’m assuming a form of UBI that is actually “universal” and not means tested, so the majority of working people would be getting more than they pay towards the program in taxes, and thus personally benefit.
Thats how a lot of carbon taxs work too, and people fought against them cause they don’t do the math
I feel like if there was a carbon tax that was directly putting extra money in everyone’s bank account on a regular basis, and it actually got to the point where that was happening, at that stage nobody would fail to understand the math.
I think a better solution would be state run essentials given out for free. Like food banks, free toiletries, social housing etc.
The problem with that without a UBI is that it dictates what people can economically access to whatever services are already provided. That said, I’m in favor of us getting essentials (Particularly inelastic demand things like Housing and Healthcare) and a UBI.
I know how to eat without money. Problem is shelter. Then if I am paying for shelter anyway it’s only an extra hour of work a week to pay for food.
What else do you suggest people do 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 50 odd years?
Whatever the fuck they want. Not being exploited all the time, for example.
Exploited? NOW That’s What I Call a Strong Word, vol. 73
Some people do volunteering. They work for free, on their own free time. No one’s forcing them to work. Even at paid work, they are free to leave, innit? Pretty sure plenty of people over history had to work and had no option. But these folks can even choose where they’d like to work? And can then try their luck, trying to match with the employer. Make it Tinder, and I’m sold. Employers and employees swiping left and right on each other. Gamify it as well. People love games. Working will be a breeze when they unlock achievements. Give 'em a sick soundtrack as well. And when they “retire”, give 'em more of the same, but mirrored. New mode unlocked upon completion. Maybe that’s afterlife. Life all over again, but everything is mirrored. Also, LinkedIn Shorts. Short 1m videos. On your feed. All of it. Replace the feed. LinkTok. And one in every three to five posts, an ad. Gotta watch 5-10s at least before continuing. Unless premium+, in which you can skip immediately. Free users gotta watch the whole ad, though. Regular premium gets the ad skip. Ads are also limited to a minute, though. And make LinkedIn mandatory for work
If one spends less time working, they might figure out something
They’ve been bred to believe this makes you a great person. NOT doing it makes you lazy.
Absolutely. It is a critical mechanism by which our culture encourages poor people to be angry at other poor people that they don’t have more instead of at the people with ALL THE STUFF.
Only if you are poor…
I was forced to do this terrible thing in order to not starve. Instead of doing anything about it, I think that we should make anyone who didn’t suffer as much have to do that terrible thing in order to not starve. Otherwise they do not deserve it.
Exactly. I actually had a coworker say people didn’t deserve free college education because he had to pay. So I guess no one should be allowed anything he wasn’t allowed.
When hiking in a group of people travelling at unequal speeds, it is only reasonable to have everyone move at the pace of the fastest person. Otherwise it’s Not Efficient.
(sarcasm disclaimer: this is sarcastic)
No no no. We know. We also know that there’s SFA we can do about it because our government has long since been bought and paid for by the very same people who “generously” “give” us the opportunity to slave away generation profit for them and their shareholder friends, so they can be rich and get richer, while we barely scrape by with the scraps they convince us is from their generosity.
Government long since abandoned us, ever since the boomers stopped caring about unions, which is around the same time they were all making shitloads of money as senior management, and unions actually started to harm their ability to make more money.
Goodbye unions, goodbye decent working conditions and reasonable, transparent wage schedules. Goodbye to the middle class…
Shits fucked, we’re all to busy fighting amongst ourselves, trying not to starve, and screaming over the Epstein files to figure out that we need to band together to fix this shit.
I know why you all want to see the Epstein shit, but here’s a spoiler, pretty much everyone with any money, power, or influence, is on the fucking list, and if they’re not, they should be, because they’ve been raping the rest of us for a good long time now.
Me when I realize survival means constantly fighting against entropy.
the highly organized and artificial structures of capitalism aren’t entropy
People are like, “why is life so hard?!”. When by life they really mean the cost of living, the division of labor, the lopsided allocation of capital, the perverse incentives, and the law that in many cases makes it outright illegal to help others or share things.
Edit: “life is hard” because your boss wants it that way.
Cries in 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week.
yeah, its this bad on the third world too.
Just read an article on the 996 work schedule.