Seriosly, why?
Your question leads me to believe that you think pedophilia is a Republican construct.
When… When did they claim they were going to do that?
That’s not the question.
The thing is that you normally don’t release details of pending investigation, but trump and Republicans were riding on this promise and now that they actually have the power they looking for excuses “files don’t exist”, “files were created by Democrats”, “why you even talk about files?”
It is clear that trump doesn’t care about integrity of the investigation (given that people involved in it were fired I think effectively it is stopped) but that he is in those files.
But if one asks a better question that more accurately presents what another is looking for, it’s certainly better guidance than an answer to a nonsensical question, yeah? I know what they say about those who answer questions with questions, but I’m conventionally opposed to such ‘wisdom’
Legal Eagle just released a video about “the real Epstein files”. The main point they covered in the video is victim impact. The victims could be threatened and harassed because of the info.
Another point not covered is that criminal case info is typically not disclosed. Releasing a list of accused perpetrators (i.e. pedophiles/child rapists) encourages vigilante justice. It also interferes with any ongoing investigations, which should (at least in theory) still be ongoing.
I don’t want Trump to release the case info. I want his DOJ to announce charges against people like Les Wexner, based on that info. And I want it to not just be his political enemies and bullshit lies.
I very much get the first point. Victims need to be protected at all costs. Even if it means the public doesn’t get to know things.
To the second point, the way Trump handled it felt very much like “case closed, nothing to see here”. This does not feel like justice is going to be served.
Virginia Giuffre would argue otherwise. BTW, she just died. By “suicide”. After being struck with a bus at 110km/h, which would’ve killed most. (Fun fact, police didn’t want to send help to the accident scene).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html
Fucking hell. I didn’t even know that.
Dig into the bus crash more. It was minor, but Giuffre then checked herself into the hospital and made pretty bizarre claims about her health. Then she went home and killed herself shortly after.
There was nothing nefarious about the crash, and it revealed she was having mental health issues.
Yes a 110 km/h is minor. I’m permantly disabled just from 60 km/h. Hey but you do you
Speed alone doesn’t establish severity. A friend of mine had an accident at 200km/h and walked with a few scratches.
It was 75 km/h and the bus clipped the car. It wasn’t a full-on collision. The driver of the car was uninjured. The bus driver didn’t even know the car had a passenger until the driver told him the next day.
That’s correct. Her husband also had a restraining order against her, for him and their children, due to her psychosis. After being released from the hospital, she showed up at his door, begging to see the children. He declined due to her excited state, and recommended she go home and rest. She killed herself that night.
It’s a horribly tragic story of a woman who bore way too much trauma for one lifetime, but it really isn’t suspicious once you read the details.
Did they cover the part about how Biden’s DOJ had absolutely no fucking excuse to take that long to prosecute?
We can’t seem like we are making it political because he’s running for office or some bullshit was always the excuse.
Yet they waited 3.5 years until right after he won the Republican nomination to bother charging him and that was just for the Jan 6th bullshit let alone the Epstein stuff.
He should have been tossed in jail by February for insurrection. The whole hand wringing about ‘appearances’ excuse is why we can’t hold anyone in power accountable.
Yeah the sycophants are always quick to make up a million excuses why Democrats can’t ever accomplish anything they talk about, while simultaneously pretending they’re “fighting fascism” by supporting this farce.
There probably just isn’t the kind of direct evidence people imagine. You can’t prosecute people just for associating with a creep.
I specifically mentioned Les Wexner for a reason. While the public information includes an absolute ton of red flags, and it’s very likely that he bought child prostitutes, it doesn’t reach the level proof beyond a reasonable doubt. IOW, it’s unlikely to reach a conviction in court.
These people are also rich enough to drag out a court case for decades, even longer than the government. As such, they aren’t likely to take a plea agreement that’s more than a slap on the wrist and without admitting anything serious.
Okay, fine. Then if there was never going to be a prosecution, then there was no impediment to the Biden admin releasing the files.
So, which is it: did the Biden administration fuck up by slow-walking the prosecution, or did the Biden administration fuck up by failing to release the files even when it had no intention of prosecuting? Those are the only options!
Is English your first language?
why would they? they have nothing to gain by doing so, and biden didnt run on it.
too much powerful people on the list: Hollywood moguls/execs, World leaders(people like belerscuni, eventhough hes been caught already), DEM/GOP mega donors, plus the politicians themselves. RFK jr too, since theres a photo out there him interacting with epstein in 1994
Too many influential and very rich on there most likely. Among all the Republicans probably also a few democrats because we know there are quite a few assholes among those too.
Because you don’t publish details of investigation. You publish indictments once investigation is done. That’s essentially weaponization of DOJ.
Republicans were promising to release (and suggesting Democrats are on it). Now as they have the power, they refuse. Claim the files don’t exist then that they are fake, then they are boring.
At this point it is very clear that trump is in them.
- Donors - some donors are implicated - eg Bill Gates
- Bill Clinton - Bill Clinton is a known associate, former president
- Celebrities/Press - Steven Pinker and a lot of the other idiots that dems like to pretend are smart and exceptional are implicated.
- if Dems released it it would probably be easier for trump etc to dismiss allegations as a smear
- Dems did prosecute Maxwell but its not clear anyone else can be charged.
Its clearly stupid to not have released a list of epstein’s friends and been like “these people are wanted for questioning”
I think one reason is that democrats wanted to do things by the book, and they didn’t want to be accused of tampering with the 2024 election, more than trump already did.
Reminder, when you don’t do things by the book, the perp wins in court on technicalities or wins on appeal. For example, see Harvey Weinstein.
That’s a decidedly generous interpretation of events
Because people on all sides are probably listed.
The give reason must be procedual, but the real reason is that the Epstein files undoubtedly also contain the names of democrats or democratic backers. They were more than happy doing nothing with those files.
So, no hiring hackers to actually change votes to Biden/Harris votes, but anything short of that? I dunno, if that were their standard they would have released the Epstein stuff. My real guess is that some Democratic politicians are also on the list. Even if it’s only a couple, they might have figured running against a convicted felon gave them such good odds there was no need to throw any of their own under the bus. And apparently none of them said, “Well but what if he hires hackers to change votes to Trump votes?”
Musk and Eaton had the means to change votes, not sure what your first statement is about.
I’m convinced that Trump won because his team changed Harris votes to Trump votes, plain and simple. The differences between their totals were statistically anomalous compared to all the downballot candidates, the variations were just below thresholds that would have triggered automatic recounts, and these anomalies were present in the 7 swing states only. Those facts alone should justify formal audits, which I hope will happen. But it all kind of depends on the fate of the one lawsuit filed so far.
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Because a bunch of them are also child rapists
A lot of their donors as well.
Yup.
Clintons were very good friends with Biden but also trump.
Neoliberals poisoned the party so much that during Epstein’s hey day the letter by a name didn’t matter, trump himself was a big donor to the Dem party back then.
Neither Biden or trump could release just the names of people they don’t like, because they’d snitch on the people they liked and then you’re on the hook for protecting the ones you liked.
Someone like AOC is the only shot at a president that would actually release it. We need more politicians who have a loyalty to voters over a party.
Party leadership changes, and we got a rare window right now the party won’t block someone like AOC. We can’t count on that being true in 2032 if she doesn’t feel ready in 2028.
Ready or not, it’s time.
Someone like AOC is the only shot at a president that would actually release it.
You act like Bernie doesn’t exist. I’m 100% confident that he’s not assosiated with that hot mess in any way.
The OP said “with a shot at [presidency]”.
C’mon now. Old elderly white men who could die any minute is what this country has exclusively elected since 2016.
If anything he has a better chance than AOC at being president, simply for having white hair, wrinkles, and a penis.
…or they’re friends with child rapists, or owe favors to child rapists. Those three are the only answers that make sense.
That is the more likely true explanation. All of these rich and powerful people know each other, owe favors to each other, have dirt on each other etc. That makes them less likely to put anyone in their circle in danger.
Note how normal people have no issue saying that Democrats may be (or likely are) in the Epstein files, but MAGAs are like “The files are a hoax but if they exist he is not in them but if he’s in them it’s just a juvenile mistake, who cares”
That’s my thinking, US citizens are prisoners of the immorality of the richest regardless of their political contributions. Trump has masterfully exploited this with the “devide and empire” maxime.
Because the CIA and FBI is throwing a coup and people on the left still believe in the government.
