Once Discord embraces enshittification, we will meet again. :)
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
[Matrix] is the most promising option right noe, having an ecosystem and eee
Schildi Chat is probably the best client I have spotted, full voice and video chat functionality in browser. People do way less hemming and hawing about downloading an app if they’ve already been able to try it out in web - just like discord
Bullshit. Pics or it didn’t happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you’re bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming “quested” games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game’s microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can’t see that, then you are an ad campaign exec’s wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
No need when you have free software Mumble + Murmur :)
Isn’t mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well
What do you mean? Genuine question, I’m loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it’s growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
The joke in my brain was that Nitro is fast tracking the enshittification of discord
Mumble better
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A lot of WoW people used vent and so people just used what they were used to
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA…
it’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now
oh man, you’ve gotten it stuck in my head too!
I hear you man
Culturally relevant marketing. https://youtu.be/qTsaS1Tm-Ic
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don’t think that’s unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
Where else are you going to suck balls… All day… Because you like it so much?
Vent was super lightweight, and easy to use. It’s why it lasted so long.
I had completely forgotten about Ventrilo, Team Speak, and Mumble. This whole post is a blast from the past.
Yea last vent server I ran was like 10+ years ago now… maybe even longer.
drop version 5 and people might start fucking using it again.
Mumble even though it’s literally dead, is a better platform.
Matrix and XMPP both support this shit also. This is literally a skill issue.
At a glance it looks like Mumble is not dead at all, latest “preview” release is from last month
i dont think the software is “dead dead” but i think it’s dead from the aspect that it seems to be stagnant, which to be clear, isn’t a bad thing. It just feels a little bit like it’s still 2012 everytime you open mumble.
It’s a tad bit disappointing, considering i love it so much. But i don’t think anything else will properly replace it.
Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
Does mumble integrate with Element?
There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn’t integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
Those are text bridges though are they not?
Didn’t know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
Have to test it but guides suggest that it’s possible
would recommend trying out mumble, it’s pretty slick.
Used teamspeak untill me and my crew switched to mumble. They all use discord now though so fuck the traitors.
Only a matter of time before Discord does a Reddit.
Been on mumble over a decade, I can’t imagine why anyone would want to use discord. Although there’s something fishy about mumble.com
I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
Isn’t TeamSpeak proprietary though?
Yes, but free
If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
If you can trust them not to do anything bad then they can trust you with the source
So you’re just trusting them to not do anything bad?
I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.
How often you read the source codes of your tool?
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
how is discord malware?
Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
That’s not malware, that’s just a bad product
hyperbole, ever heard about it?
Can you use it in a sentence?
“Discord is bad product, hyperbolically said, it works like a malware.”
Tricks you into believing discord is composed of “servers” when it is in fact all centralized under discord’s direct control. Tricks you into believing private messages are private when they are in fact not encrypted at all. Discord’s business itself is shady
The “servers” are actually called “guilds” in the API.
Servers are just a marketing term
They’re called servers in the UI though. Also, confusingly, there is a new feature coming called guilds.
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
They’re called direct messages, not private messages. They’re not tricking anyone into thinking anything lmao
No, but the entire point of renaming Private Messages to Direct Messages was exclusively so people would have the mindset you do.
Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.
Actually I am not younger, DM’s had always been Private Messages to me up until Facebook/MySpace and more people began flocking to the internet.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.
You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
I have never been under the impression PMs were unreadable by the people operating the service I send them on.
Multiplay.co.uk stopped offering servers, and Discord was all new, bright and shiny so we switched to Disc. Was sad to see it go tbh
Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn’t have a mic, doesn’t use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.
Omg… he finally speaks
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I used TS for the first time in like 15 years litterally two days ago, funny timing.
Yeah, I lost EVE. Again.
I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
Nah bro that’s just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application
Memory is cheap nowadays, so that’s a feature /s
I bought the whole RAM, I’m gonna use the whole RAM
Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.
If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app
Vi sitter här på venten och spelar lite DOTA
"Get off vent or get bent "
Blow it out your ass
Past memory unlocked.
Ventrilo was the shit back then.
It seems many don’t remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.
Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I’ll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.
Revolt should be next in the cycle
Don’t you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That’s a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it’s a service model so you’re dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
At some point, monetization will take over.
I don’t think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
Fair point, but if you need to switch anyway you might want to pick an available option that solves at least the issue being currently faced.
The again, we’ve moved back a lot to throw away mentality.
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Here I am self-hosting Mumble for friends & using Mumble at work. Old tech was built to actually be good on resources.
+1 for Mumble. I set up a load of Android PoC devices with a Mumble server and it’s honestly like having walkie-talkies that work over the Intertubes.
My phone has extra buttons, so I use the camera shutter for hardware push-to-talk
