Ok see? We’re not even talking about the same thing. And yet the word Nazi is in the undertone.
Yes actual Nazis are bad. (I can’t believe I have to fucking clarify that; jesus goddamned christ on rubber crutches 🤦♂️). But lemmy just throws that word around so cavalierly and indiscriminately it’s hard to even take it seriously anymore. Add on people dehumanizing anyone they personally think is a nazi, and that’s a recipe for not good.
They have sent people to foreign work prisons, they have built concentration camps, Ice is point for point the exact same thing as the Gestapo, they are revoking citizenship, they have literally made it illegal to be multiple certain demographics of people, when the fuck do you pull off the blinders to realize that we are dealing with actual fucking nazis? These truck drivers are, without hyperbole or exaggeration, delivering captive human beings to concentration camps for not having the right skin color.
Fuck off, you are doing nazi apologist/denialism rhetoric and it’s fucking disgusting.
The discussion you’re chiming in on wasn’t even about this article; it was about one from a week ago. And now you’re butting in with the wrong context, making unfounded accusations, jumping to conclusions, and throwing out personal attacks… Keep up or keep out.
Yes, and? Those were not the people the post in question was about. You just unilaterally declared the subject of that post a nazi, decreed that they’re not human (dehumanizing), and that they deserved to be imprisoned because of that. When other commenters pointed out how hypocritical your take was, you doubled down.
The only thing the article mentioned about the guy was that he was a Trump voter. Yes, the nazi bar analogy exists but it’s also true that some people really are just that stupid or brainwashed or otherwise poisoned by the Kool-Aid. Wsa the guy a piece of shit person? Perhaps. Misinformed? Perhaps. An actual Nazi that deserves to be imprisoned or worse? That’s a wee bit of a dangerous stretch given that there was insufficient information to rationally arrive at that conclusion.
Possibly, yes. Resistance comes in many flavors. There are benefits to having people inside, whether that is to smuggle information, provide small comforts to those affected, be eyes and ears, etc.
The point is you (nor I) do not know anything about this guy other than the bits in the article, and there is not enough information to merit a response such as “he is not human and deserves imprisonment or worse”. I’m not defending him specifically (again, insufficient info), but I am condemning you (and anyone else painting the world in such broad strokes) for throwing out assumptions, espousing dehumanizing rhetoric based upon those assumptions, and the hypocritical advocacy of imprisoning people you deem not human.
TL;DR: You’re advocating the same tactics used by those you so abhor on a platform where the demographic calls each other nazis in the comments like it’s a cheat code to winning an argument. I’ve already explained why this rhetoric is dangerous.
I’m done. I’m fucking done. You’ve moved the goalposts so far beyond the original that I don’t think we’re even in the same state we started out in.
Bottom line: You were espousing dangerous rhetoric given how flippantly people around here resort to calling others nazis (the subjects of articles and other users both). You can’t just deem/call someone a nazi and use that as an excuse for “anything goes”. I’ve explained how that is a dangerous cocktail.
Say what you will. If it’s in violations of the rules, it’ll probably get modded. If the behavior repeats, you may get a ban. That’s not specific to you; it applies to everyone. In no way are mod actions here to be interpreted as anything other than maintaining a civil atmosphere and adherence to the community rules and the LW TOS.
Don’t like it? Go over to YPTB and whine and spin another tall tale about how mods here are fascist bootlickers because we won’t let people screech for violence. Or you can go find another community that allows that kind of bullshit. Frankly, I don’t give a fuck.,
I’ve explained the rationale behind the mod actions clearly and more than once. If you don’t get it by now, I’m not going to entertain you any further.
That’s fine. I’m not going to discuss things with someone who so clearly supports platforming a safe space for nazis, their truck drivers, and, apparently, scabs?
Dude. Not a good look and not a look befitting this community. You need to revisit your ability to mod.
Ok see? We’re not even talking about the same thing. And yet the word Nazi is in the undertone.
Yes actual Nazis are bad. (I can’t believe I have to fucking clarify that; jesus goddamned christ on rubber crutches 🤦♂️). But lemmy just throws that word around so cavalierly and indiscriminately it’s hard to even take it seriously anymore. Add on people dehumanizing anyone they personally think is a nazi, and that’s a recipe for not good.
They have sent people to foreign work prisons, they have built concentration camps, Ice is point for point the exact same thing as the Gestapo, they are revoking citizenship, they have literally made it illegal to be multiple certain demographics of people, when the fuck do you pull off the blinders to realize that we are dealing with actual fucking nazis? These truck drivers are, without hyperbole or exaggeration, delivering captive human beings to concentration camps for not having the right skin color.
Fuck off, you are doing nazi apologist/denialism rhetoric and it’s fucking disgusting.
The discussion you’re chiming in on wasn’t even about this article; it was about one from a week ago. And now you’re butting in with the wrong context, making unfounded accusations, jumping to conclusions, and throwing out personal attacks… Keep up or keep out.
THIS YEAR there were folks in DC doing goddamn nazi salutes.
Are Marxists not Marxist because Marx is dead?
Yes, and? Those were not the people the post in question was about. You just unilaterally declared the subject of that post a nazi, decreed that they’re not human (dehumanizing), and that they deserved to be imprisoned because of that. When other commenters pointed out how hypocritical your take was, you doubled down.
The only thing the article mentioned about the guy was that he was a Trump voter. Yes, the nazi bar analogy exists but it’s also true that some people really are just that stupid or brainwashed or otherwise poisoned by the Kool-Aid. Wsa the guy a piece of shit person? Perhaps. Misinformed? Perhaps. An actual Nazi that deserves to be imprisoned or worse? That’s a wee bit of a dangerous stretch given that there was insufficient information to rationally arrive at that conclusion.
People who work for the nazi run camps are just contractors to you?
Possibly, yes. Resistance comes in many flavors. There are benefits to having people inside, whether that is to smuggle information, provide small comforts to those affected, be eyes and ears, etc.
The point is you (nor I) do not know anything about this guy other than the bits in the article, and there is not enough information to merit a response such as “he is not human and deserves imprisonment or worse”. I’m not defending him specifically (again, insufficient info), but I am condemning you (and anyone else painting the world in such broad strokes) for throwing out assumptions, espousing dehumanizing rhetoric based upon those assumptions, and the hypocritical advocacy of imprisoning people you deem not human.
TL;DR: You’re advocating the same tactics used by those you so abhor on a platform where the demographic calls each other nazis in the comments like it’s a cheat code to winning an argument. I’ve already explained why this rhetoric is dangerous.
scabs. they’re the equivalent of scabs. are scabs at a labor strike ok with you?
I’m done. I’m fucking done. You’ve moved the goalposts so far beyond the original that I don’t think we’re even in the same state we started out in.
Bottom line: You were espousing dangerous rhetoric given how flippantly people around here resort to calling others nazis (the subjects of articles and other users both). You can’t just deem/call someone a nazi and use that as an excuse for “anything goes”. I’ve explained how that is a dangerous cocktail.
Say what you will. If it’s in violations of the rules, it’ll probably get modded. If the behavior repeats, you may get a ban. That’s not specific to you; it applies to everyone. In no way are mod actions here to be interpreted as anything other than maintaining a civil atmosphere and adherence to the community rules and the LW TOS.
Don’t like it? Go over to YPTB and whine and spin another tall tale about how mods here are fascist bootlickers because we won’t let people screech for violence. Or you can go find another community that allows that kind of bullshit. Frankly, I don’t give a fuck.,
I’ve explained the rationale behind the mod actions clearly and more than once. If you don’t get it by now, I’m not going to entertain you any further.
That’s fine. I’m not going to discuss things with someone who so clearly supports platforming a safe space for nazis, their truck drivers, and, apparently, scabs?
Dude. Not a good look and not a look befitting this community. You need to revisit your ability to mod.