• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    6 months ago

    I get it. Fuck subscription based licences.

    But I remember that you could keep the last version you subscribed to after subscription ended, which is way better (and the way Adobe products used to work).

    Am I wrong? Or did they change that?

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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      6 months ago

      Dunno, I’ve never touched an Adobe subscription because I’ve heard they’re like getting out of gym memberships to quit. 😬

    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      And on top of that, latest versions of their tools are always free until the next release ( which is every 2-3 months ). Their words when i talked to them on some convention.
      Subscriptions are bad as hell, but jetbrains is doing them alright imo

      • 1984@lemmy.today
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        6 months ago

        I thought they let you use the version you used when you started subscribing, not then you ended the subscription? This was something a lot of people were upset about. That if you subscribe for a year and stop, you end up with a year old version.

        • The Octonaut@mander.xyz
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          6 months ago

          https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What-is-a-perpetual-fallback-license

          You’re both half right.

          You get the version at the time of your subscription (plus bugfixes). Then after 12 consecutive months of members you get the next version perpetually (plus bugfixes).

          So it’s 1.0 when you subscribe, you get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.0.1 in your third month, you get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.1 in your sixth month. You do not get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.0.2 in your seventh month. You get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.1.1 in your eighth month. You do not get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.2 in your tenth month. You do not get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.2 still in your twelfth month. You now get that perpetually.

          It’s 1.2.1 in your thirteenth month. You get that perpetually.

          It’s 2.0 on your fourteenth month. You do not get that perpetually.

          You unsubscibe but retain a perpetual version licence.

          • You started with 1.0
          • You ended with 1.2.1
          • You have to roll back from 2.0 to 1.2.1
          • elvith@feddit.de
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            6 months ago

            If paying on a monthly basis, as soon as you pay for 12 consecutive months, you will receive this perpetual fallback license providing you with access to the exact product version for when your 12 consecutive months subscription started. You will receive perpetual fallback licenses for every version you’ve paid 12 consecutive months for.

            So, in your example, you unsubscribe in month 15. This means, you paid 14 months so you get to retain the version from month three (which is 12 full paid months to 14). This means a downgrade to 1.0.x and not to 1.2.x

          • 1984@lemmy.today
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            6 months ago

            Thank you, good explanation. I can see why people get confused since the outcome depends on the subscription length then.

        • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Oh, I don’t know which way around it is then actually. I’ve not subscribed before, but a colleague does so it’s possible I’ve misheard or misinterpreted what he said

    • CptEnder@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      So real answer time on subs from the Adobe side. Albeit not popular.

      The real reason for subscription based licencing is push updates based on new tech with Adobe. Back in the day you had to wait for a new version of Premiere/Photoshop etc to support new camera codecs or new features like background proxy generation. This had to do with what’s considered a new software package and software patent law with how you pay devs.

      So you pay for features ABC for version 10. And pay for features ABCDE in version 11. But it you’re paying a subscription service they can “live” update the produt to rollout ABCDEFGH constantly as they’re ready to ship.

      Yeah it’s basically Adobe being cheap and not wanting to pay their devs better and for that I definitely agree fuck sub models. But for us professionals live updates in post is a godsend and also allowed our camera and production tech to upgrade at breakneck speeds.

      At the end of the day Adobe is the best choice because the alternatives are mostly not software dev and UI focused. And they are on top of their game tech wise. So we’re pretty much at their mercy on how they wanna charge us. I’m always excited to see what BMD is doing with DaVinci Resolve - the best pro color grading software out there btw. They’ve been pushing their NLE editing package of the software hard and is free, highly recommend. Would love to see them overtake Adobe like Adobe overtook Avid.

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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        6 months ago

        At the end of the day Adobe is the best choice because the alternatives are mostly not software dev and UI focused.

        They’re probably also the only professional game in town because they patent every single UX enhancement. And with IP laws favouring no one but the biggest cheese, they cripple their competition by calling dibs on sensible UX ideas.

  • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
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    6 months ago

    name a single jetbrains product that isn’t a worse experience than using vscode plus LSP extensions. i’ll wait

    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Dotmemory, dotpeek, ryder, … :)
      I have yet to get my hands on any good memory profiler and il decompiler in vs/vscode that didnt suck.
      Ilspy/dnspy for il stuff, dotmemory is my go to for profiling.
      Source : im a .net/c# desktop developer

    • DudeDudenson@lemmings.world
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      6 months ago

      The base version of IntelliJ is FOSS, and they kinda offer perpetual licenses for their paid applications. If you subscribe for an entire year, you get a perpetual fallback license. It’s just a license for an older version of the software, but you get to keep it forever. https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What-is-a-perpetual-fallback-license

      You know that any software that requires a login or can update on its own can be bricked at a moment’s notice if someone in legal or accounting changes their mind about the whole “perpetual” thing.

      • Heavybell@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        This is true, but compared to the prevailing alternative I’ll take it. Unless there’s a viable FOSS alternative for whatever software we’re talking about at the time, of course. :P

        • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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          6 months ago

          Does it require internet at any point to activate/check the key? If so it’s the same with extra steps.

          • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi
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            6 months ago

            There’s a dialog within the program to enter your key though I haven’t checked if it connects to the internet at that point. I use an account so I can easily use it on several computers.

  • magic_lobster_party@kbin.run
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    6 months ago

    IntelliJ is great for organizational settings. I would never use it for home use as there are many good free alternatives for that kind of setting.

    Most Adobe tools don’t have any good free alternatives even for home use.

    So jetbrains is “acceptable” because I don’t need to open my own wallet.

    • prof@infosec.pub
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      6 months ago

      Another upside of Jetbrains over Adobe is that you can get edu-licenses that allow you to use every software of theirs.

      The best deal our university could get from Adobe was 25% off on Photoshop if at least 200 students bought it.

    • bort@sopuli.xyz
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      6 months ago

      Most Adobe tools don’t have any good free alternatives even for home use.

      inkscape is on a level with illustrator (maybe even better)

      for drawing: try krita

      if you want to pay money (much much less than for adobe): Affinity is on a level with fotoshop

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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          6 months ago

          Sheesh, FOSS licenses really are the only force in the universe that can stop this nonsense.

          I remember shelling out for Substance indie licenses thinking it would be a good investment. Shortly after they’re:

          • part of the “adobe family” (yaaay! /s)
          • Not gonna make it subscription only, c’mon guys. It’s ok.
          • No seriously, we hear you, you’ll have options! Definitely!
          • Newsletter: Ok we’re subscription only, “Get your keys for the super out of date version because we’re just deleting it from human history now.”
          • SaaS cloud only and you’re gonna like it, peasant.

          Never trusting private software like that ever again.

    • tables@kbin.social
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      6 months ago

      Most Adobe tools don’t have any good free alternatives even for home use.

      Yep. Lightroom is the one piece of software I tolerate paying a subscription for. Alternatives do exist, but they all suffer from the typical FOSS problem of never having had a designer look at them and help them build UI that’s meant to be used by humans.

      I’ve spent a bunch of time trying to learn Darktable, and at the end I still couldn’t arrive to the same results I could in Lightroom by watching a 5 minutes tutorial and adjusting a few sliders. Not to mention that searching for a few of the issues I had led me to a bunch of threads of people complaining about the exact same issues only to be met by a developer telling them “if you don’t like the UI use another tool”.

    • dev_null@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      I would never use anything else for Java or Kotlin. Through the free and open source JetBrains IDE of course.

  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
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    6 months ago

    Join us now and share the software, you’ll be free hackers, you’ll be free~🎵🎵🎵

    I think what people like is that IntelliJ and PyCharm have FOSS community editions.

  • sazey@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Only use TeamCity professionally but the licence model is transparent and a doddle. No bloated loaders, wanky arbitrary rule or ridiculous gotchas, and the software is yours to keep (minus support) thereafter. They even recently released CVE mitigation patches for 2016 versions recently. I didn’t resent paying them money at all.

  • xia@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Laughs in perpetual fallback version punctuated with a hearty community edition.