• Wrench@lemmy.world
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      You’re allowed to say it, we will just downvote another brain dead violent revolution argument. History is full of proof on how well that tends to work out for your average citizen.

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        Lmao, they deleted their comment, so in the end THEY were the one who decided they werent allowed to say whatever they said

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        History is full of proof on how well that tends to work out for your average citizen.

        Didn’t see what the deleted comment said so I’m not going to defend or attack it. But isn’t that exactly how the US came about?

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          And look where that got us. /s

          Jokes aside, the US Independence Movement was an organized restructuring of government into democracy that could have gone by peacefully if the then British Monarchy didn’t try to control them by means of force. The USA didn’t invade the UK and tear down parliament.

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              Yeah, but a better example would be if Texas seceded and see where they end up.

              The deeper nuance here is that the relationship between state and federal, and between colony and homeland, is one of give and take. The British colonies started thinking “taxation without representation is theft” because they were giving and not getting much back. Nowadays, we pay taxes and in return we get representation, subsidized goods and services, a social security net, mandatory civil rights, and military protection. If we don’t like how this budget is established, our votes elect people who decide that budget directly and annually.

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                We get an illusion of representation by a bunch of wealthy individuals continually passing more laws to make running for office practically necessitate having a team of lawyers & advisors, a social security system that is constantly stripped away in favor of bailing out big businesses, subsidized goods & services by big corporations covered in layers of arbitration agreements, civil rights that are frequently violated with majority of attorneys only interested in representing those able to immediately pay their checks, and military protection that are some of the biggest abusers of human rights violations in history.

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                  6 months ago

                  You say all that, but the GOP haven’t exactly been pushing rockstar career politician candidates. The barriers for entry seem pretty low, imo.

                  We could easily get campaign finance reform passed if we voted in like a dozen more people from the party who supports campaign finance reform as a partisan issue, but people don’t vote for that. It’s not that votes don’t matter, it’s that people are wasting them.