It’s for my mother, who so far cannot stand LibreOffice.

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    4 months ago

    It might sound like a pretty obvious thing, but have you tried changing the tools into the “Tabbed ribbon” that office uses instead of the classic old 90s organization scheme in options ?

    I have come to notice that when people who don’t really work with computers very well, in particular boomers, say that they can stand LibreOffice, they mean they don’t like the layout of the tools, because they can’t find anything they need. I suppose they just got used to where everything is with modern office.

    Just change it and see if she will like it better. Usually solves it for the boomers i help. Nothing is holding LibreOffice back more than their default layout scheme. They really don’t know their target audience’s pain points AT ALL. Just goes to show why you need to study your users using the product without being explained anything.

    I don’t get why their default is a layout that has been outdated for 24 years. Nostalgia or what? Only really old people who used computers in the 90s a lot will intuitively find it useful.

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    5 months ago

    You can change libreoffice to have the ribbon and act more like ms office.

  • bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    You could tell your mom the real price of MS office. She might suddenly stand LibreOffice just fine.

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      5 months ago

      i’m always amused by the reaction of my friends when i tell them that office costs $10 per month. They are all always “whaaaaat?? This POS is this expensive??”

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        Screw word. I’m studying Software Development, but I have to write all these management reports for various classes. I’m just writing them in LaTeX now, so it feels like I’m coding while I’m writing a paper. Implement some new fancy features every time that I than have to debug like I do with code.

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    5 months ago

    At this point I think it’s more beneficial for you to move to using LibreOffice. It’s a better to spend your time getting used to that, instead of trying to obtain MS Office.

    I’m not saying that LibreOffice is as good, but it’s good enough.

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      5 months ago

      There is some functionality not available through the web apps. If you work in a corporate setting, the odds are really good that the web apps won’t be adequate for you.

      One example that comes to mind is not me of our clients that has us file a report once per quarter. The report is an Excel spreadsheet that can be filled but not edited. The submission demands that the file be then password edit protected and uploaded along with the password. You cannot secure files that way via the web app. We literally keep a Windows VM with the a copy of the desktop office suite, just for this client’s quarterly form.

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    5 months ago

    key resellers have office 2021 pro plus (the non subscription one) for $30.00ish (earlier versions are even cheaper) and that is what I recommend if you absolutely have to get office.

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      5 months ago

      imho between the two options, the more ethical is to pirate rather than supporting a shady key reseller. Anyway microsoft gets the exact same amount of money either if you purchase a stolen key from msdn or you install a pirated copy activated via mas

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      5 months ago

      Considering the grey market is filled with dodgy keys, it’d be better to just pirate, especially when there are easy and safe ways to do it like with MAS

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          5 months ago

          Good resellers do, but I think my point still stands - why risk any of that when Microsoft doesn’t get your money either way?
          MAS/Massgrave works effectively, is open source, is well-documented, and literally free.

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    5 months ago

    @Reverendender

    OnlyOffice Desktop Editors…

    Simpler interface but lacking more advanced features of MS Office or Libre. It has the features 90% of users actually use though.

    Nearly perfect DOCX formatting compatibility. The only thing I have ever noticed when collaborating with Word users is the bullet symbols on list items may be different on my end.

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      5 months ago

      Agreed. I really tried to like Libre/OpenOffice over the years but it never felt right. OnlyOffice really hits the spot for me.

      I don’t use Windows much any more but I was happy with the discounted student version of Office 2016, afaik the last perpetual license.

      • Proteus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        4 months ago

        Onlyoffice sucks very bad with macros in my experience, lacks some advanced functions, and infuriatingly doesn’t seem to have options search, but other than that it’s fantastic, very intuitive, ergonomic and sleek option.

        My own daily driver.

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          4 months ago

          If I’m doing anything substantial, calculation-wise, I use openpyxl.

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              You might also find the Python library pandas useful. Its “DataFrames” can mirror your excel data 1:1 and you have convenience methods like to_excel(). Easy to combine with numpy for performant matrix math.

              XLSX just becomes a container for storing/sharing your data, and while Python is used for analysis. I would use matplotlib for plotting rather than embedding in the sheet.

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    5 months ago

    i came across a guide on rentry that said how to permanently activate office 365 downloading from official microsoft servers

    don’t have the link