So I just discovered c/womensstuff, commented in a thread that took my interest and got a somewhat abusive “eff off” comment from a mod with added sarcasm.
I then saw it’s “women only”. This is the only community I know that bans based on a protected identity of a person, e.g. in the UK, it’s illegal to discriminate based on gender, sexuality, religion etc.
How does everyone feel about this for Lemmy communities?
OP, you’ve done a fantastic job demonstrating exactly why some people might want spaces where they don’t have to deal with the likes of you.
Frankly I find using public forums like Lemmy a fuckin stupid place for shit like that and make it a point to annoy the mods of such places into banning me should they end up on my feed
don’t want random people who don’t match your in group randomly commenting? don’t use a forum system like Reddit/Lemmy/Etc. with an /all feed you can’t opt out of. there’s plenty of free forum software out there: use that
there are literally so many other communities, why would you wanna go to the only one that doesn’t want you there, if not for trolling?
If they served the best pizza in town, I would join your flight. But all they have to offer is women who want to talk with other women. If you are not a woman, I don’t see what you think you would contribute.
This is so obvious now that you’ve written it, but it never occurred to me. What a great way to phrase this.
Edit: wooo, boy. Good on them for excluding you. Your very short comment history is a read.
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c/womensstuff is punching up, you’re punching down
I think it’s reasonable that some communities will want to cater to a specific topic / group of people. If you want to discuss a similar topic, there’s nothing stopping you from posting about it in another community or making your own community/instance.
If someone doesn’t want to engage with you, it’s silly to try and force them to engage with you.
If you want to discuss a similar topic, there’s nothing stopping you from posting about it in another community or making your own community/instance.
But that’s stupid.
You do see the mirror right? Not sure what you expect for a response when your whole stance consists of “that’s stupid.”
If its worth anything you seem so dense that you got me to block you so I dont have to see content from a pissy cunt bitching about a community for women being a community for women. Your social worker can prolly point you in the direction of communities for retards… I think they call them group homes.
You’re going to make an amazing, beautiful mother.
Your vitriol makes you sound really bitter and hateful towards men. Groups like what I’m talking about strengthen your existing sexist opinions and make them more extreme, and in your mind, this hatred becomes normalised that you post things like the above.
You have just proven why exclusive groups like this are bad for communities.
(Though the entire response reads very gen-AI-ish)
Whatever cunt stfu
Its funny that “ur comment sounds AI btw 😏” has become the new “sick burn” for people with no argument. Especially when the comment in question reads absolutely nothing like an LLM.
Its a tradeoff, it’s discussing things with people that understand you and being protected from outside interference while doing so.
Then again this creates a bubble which leads usually to radicalization. Which leads to a lack of respect for otherl peoples experience and point of view.
I wish communities like this would introduce labels to invite outside views or maybe a “male input Monday” or something. Just to stave off the effects of isolation to a specific mindset.
This is the intelligent answer, not the facebook answer.
Y’all seem to think that those people only exist in one random Lemmy community and never use anything else.
Women getting too much and too bad male input is literally what leads to women only spaces, not the other way around. And yet they still get male input everywhere else. It’s like thinking going to a Warhammer shop will radicalize you because they don’t play poker there, it’s not even stupid, it’s absurd.
This is the intelligent answer, not the facebook answer.
How so?
I think it’s nigh impossible to come up with strict rules about these things.
I also think it’s fine that women have spaces that are just for them.
I also think it’s fine that women have spaces that are just for them.
Interesting? Why? So it becomes an echo chamber? Why not make the group private in that case? How about fake women profiles by men?
Why do you feel that you have the automatic right to insert yourself into a conversation that your opinion isn’t wanted in? There’s no issue with the way they’re presenting or moderating their community; they make the rules plain on the sidebar.
How about fake women profiles by men?
Again, why do you assume this is an issue? Most men can simply respect that women would like to have a conversation with other women. Why are you not able to just accept this?
Why do you feel that you have the automatic right to insert yourself into a conversation that your opinion isn’t wanted in?
Your opinion isn’t wanted.
Why are you not able to just accept this?
Tough titties, kid.
literally asks people for their opinions on a community dedicated to asking people their opinions “Your opinion isn’t wanted”
ok buddy 👍
Not only that, but literally directly asked them why immediately beforehand. This is a master class in missing the point.
I’m an afab something for whom these communities always felt a little iffy (they’re very welcome and it’s lovely to not have to hedge what you say as much, but I always felt they were somewhat unfair), but this comments section has helped me understand why it’s unproblematic to have them.
its their community, they can run it how they please, if it rubs you the wrong way you can feel free to make a competing space instead of simply complaining about it, but i think most will find its harder to moderate than they think, so i say having a hard stance on moderation to ensure quality for a minority is perfectly acceptable imo.
Minority?
the majority of lemmy users are male <3
Source?
there are no official numbers. but women’s stuff community never reached about 800 members before migration. I’m not saying that every woman is subscribed to that comm, but if it’s any indicator, women are a minority on lemmy. if we look at other communities, the two biggest communities that indicate they are for gendered groups are women’s autism, and men’s liberation. while they both have around the same subscriber count, the men’s liberation comm has twice as many posts and frequently more comments. as for other comms that have some sort of gender distinction, for women never go about 800, whereas men’s ones can each as high as 2.5k users. based off these figures, and my own experiences on lemmy as a woman, I conclude that women are a minority, or seriously unrepresented if they are more present than it appears.
Okay. But not everyone joins gendered groups, so such a conclusion is not correct.
I’m fine with it, as a universal rule people shouldn’t be forced to associate with someone if they don’t want to.
Dude. The Internet is a tough place for women. Give us one community to hang out together.
I think it’s fine. I actually enjoy reading it for the insight.
The internet is very “male” by default. I can accept that women want to, and do, get their own clubs. Why can’t you?
I subscribe to c/womensstuff and I’ve seen the messages to men who post there accidentally. They go like this: “thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment - hope you understand 🧡”
How is this “somewhat abusive”?
Well, when you’re used to privilege…
Let me try to phrase my opinion:
It’s unfortunate that gender-exclusive communities exist, but it’s a consequence of deeper societal issues.
Forcing the issue on social networks like Lemmy will actually make it worse, because those groups will feel in danger and want to separate even further.
Being able to access the community in read-only mode is a very good thing, because you’ll be able to gain insight into why they feel the need for a separate space. Read, learn and understand, even if you disagree.
But read, learn, understand what? Do you really think the problem you claim women need the space is because (presumably men, the alleged oppressors) don’t “understand” women and if only they’d take time to read and understand women it would all be ok?
But read, learn, understand what?
Why they feel the need to be separate. What exactly are they afraid of. You’re focusing too much on being “technically correct”. Human emotions don’t work like that.
Humans work generally like this:
- we have a bad experience
- we try to avoid bad experience repeating
Sometimes it leads into coping mechanisms like needing a safe space. Trying to break down that barrier by force will not work, it will only make it stronger. You can hope to be invited in, but that requires understanding.
