Violence erupted at the University of California, Los Angeles after pro-Israeli counter-demonstrators attacked a pro-Palestinian campus encampment. Bubbling tensions on the campus boiled over following the alleged breach of a “buffer zone” between the rival groups.
You wont hear mainstream media question why the police retracted a short moment before pro-Israeli thugs stormed in the encampment and attack the peaceful protesters, they came back in to only arrest the pro-palestine protesters. the establishment has payed to end the protests and establishment media are only parading the side of the story the have been paid for to.
Lemmy needs a payed vs paid bot
They sealed the deck with tar to prevent pesky protestors from leaking in.
So now I am left with no sources and no idea if it is a real thing or not. One thing
twitterx has for it is the readers context.However idk if the same would work in relatively one sided isolated env
Jewish Federation Los Angeles meanwhile blamed the university’s chancellor for allowing “an environment to be created over many months that has made students feel unsafe”.
The group demanded that the encampment be cleared and that UCLA meet leaders of the Jewish community.
Fucking hell, this is such a callous response. In any other situation, the group representing the side that just had masked vigilantes attack peaceful demonstrators would make amends. “These people don’t represent our movement. We disavow them and what they stand for.” And so on.
I see they’re taking a page from Israel’s book: refuse to apologize, defend unprovoked violence, and blame the victims on top of everything else.
Your school’s protests against violence is making the school unsafe and therefore it’s the schools fault for the violence that falls upon it. That’s basically what they said.
Lol, it’s not my fault I’m beating you in the face. It’s the school’s fault I’m beating you in the face.
No wonder anti-semitism is ramping up. They’re not helping themselves with that one.
“We’re allowed to beat you if you question our genocide” is certainly a hell of a tagline
meet leaders of the Jewish community.
Never leaders of the palestinian community…
I think this is a good example of how vigilantes often work to support the state’s goals when it can’t legally/easily complete their goals.
For every fascistic government still bound by laws, there will be fascists willing to ignore them to support it. See this. See the KKK carrying out lynchings on people who are barely escaping the grasp of the state. See the settlers illegally settling on Palestinian land to carry out the state’s goals of ethnic cleansing.
Hate is a powerful tool used by fascists to rally people to violence. Every one of these attackers should be arrested and thrown in prison.
Vigilante porn is too useful as propaganda. Americans, especially, love the imagery of a tough person who steps up and does “the right thing,” where traditional tools of enforcement are weakened by corruption, incompetence, or policy. Doesn’t matter if it’s Dirty Harry, Batman, or some Christian Nationalist with a sharpened flagpole.
Hate is a strong motivator but it uses up too much fuel and burns itself out. To see it only as hate is a bit reductionist. You can only use hate to motivate yourself for so long.
Fear, envy, and uncertainty/fear of the future are much more longstanding motivators used to continue fascist creep.
Regardless, fascists align themselves with the state. The police often can’t get away with crushing protesters without suffering bad PR, and risking strengthening popular support when images of police brutality evoke memories of past brutalities.
Fascist vigilantes don’t care about PR, and they might get the support of the police (or they get the police’s non-support of their enemies) or even the government
In situations like this, it’s common that the vigilantes are not actually rogue. They’re working together with the police. They might be friends, they might be off duty cops, and they could easily be messaging each other about what ought to be done when.
I don’t have any specific evidence that this situation is as described above, but we know that many others have been and will be.
Yep.
If we travel back in time a little bit you will find obvious examples, such as the police working directly with the klan (specifically the 2nd klan) and instances of sherrifs deputizing people to allow them to carry out extreme violence against bipoc
Don’t need to go all the way back to the Klan: Video shows Portland officers made deal with far-right group leader
Angry and lashing out. This time the Israeli genocide was called out and the world was made more aware. And the usual cover given challenged thanks to these protests. The dehumanization of Palestinian people by supporters of Israel’s genocide is frightening.
Bruh check out the comments on the locked threads on reddit. Blue conservatives as far as the eye can see.
Link?
Its weird yo see they York University was so far ahead of its time with this stuff.
Ok but where the fuck are the videos? Let me guess, tiktok.
Here you go: https://youtu.be/foGyTH5_bso?t=1361 Right after the timemark
The pro-Israeli camp behaves like my old neighbourhood’s neonazis.
Ok but that is pretty fucking burried am I wrong?
It’s blurried enough to not to recognize the individual faces of the people there, not blurried enough not to recognize the pro-Israeli fucks were catching people who got separated from the rest of the protestors to beat them up, or that they threw bombs with the capacity to maim or kill against a crowd. Are you being dense on purpose?
Hmm. No I’m just trying to find posted videos. I guess since I’m not on twitter or tiktok so they don’t exist. Or at least are difficult to find from cursory searches. A youtube video of a streamer rebroadcasting twitter videos isn’t exactly accessible.
I found the link to the first video by googling exact quotes of the tweet’s text. You can do this for most tweets that haven’t been deleted, including the rest in the youtube video.
https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785575610469007471
All over social media
I’m looking
The good people need to arm themselves.
How come the only videos we can see are ones from news stations with talking heads?
Shouldn’t there be a bunch of raw camera footage taken with people’s phones?
I don’t need some shitty news station to curate or manufacture information for me.
You can have violence from the police, or you can have counter-protest violence. The police have proven time and again they will stand back and do nothing while the people protesting for any liberal idea (sad that the left seems to be the only one interested in things like peace, equality, and justice) get beaten by the right.
I mean you could have protestor violence, but for some reason that’s just outright dismissed as lunacy.
That’s when the police beat you.
If there aren’t regular right wingers beating protesters, the police step in and do it.
That’s when the police beat you.
Police will teargas and beat you regardless. When has exclusively nonviolent protest ever worked?
Give The Failure of Nonviolence by Peter Gelderloos a read. To make it ridiculously easy here’s a copy: http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=the+failure+of+nonviolence&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
Nonviolent protest works when the violence against the nonviolent becomes the impetus for change. That whole Jesus taking the beating to point out the problems in the system has a long history whether you believe in religion on not. Probably why we still talk about non-violent protesters like Gandhi or MLK, too.
That’s not to say that violence doesn’t have its place, like the French Revolution. But that’s the shortcut. You forcefully break the system and rebuild it right now, rather than the long game of changing the system from within.
Checking out the author, he seems much more French Revolution type (even though being an anarchist really puts him at odds with any resulting government), looks like he’s spent a bit of time in jail for some protests, none of them violent.
Pacifism did not work for Ghandi or MLK. They were both murdered by conservatives and the problems they championed persisted long after their deaths.
Conservatives see pacifism as a weakness to exploit and an invitation to attack. In fact, never in history has pacifism defeated conservatism. Action is always needed to cure an infection of conservatism.
The Palestinian homeland isn’t even a liberal idea though.
True, but being anti genocide, anti colonialism, and anti war often are. Just so happens that these ideas and Palestinian statehood are simpatico at the moment.
Does anyone know what political stance(s) the attacking crowd is made of?
Like, also lefties? Tankies, anarchists? Or like MAGAs?
I’ve seen reports that they were Chabad Lubavitch. Not sure of the accuracy.
There were two attacks on different days, so it could be separate groups, but a Jewish professor who intervened said a lot of them were speaking Hebrew and one carried a Chabad flag.
Sorry, are you following this story generally? Lefties, tankies and anarchists all seem extremely unlikely to be involved with pro Israel attackers.
Ok wow. First, thanks to everyone who have their estimates. Appreciated. And for everyone else and the warriors of downvoting: No I was not trolling abd not it’s not THAT unilkely for it to be lefties (yes okay anarchists and tankies I mostly said as exmples so you know what I’m trying to ask)
If you are interested: there is a german lefty flavor called Antideutsche (anti-german). They are Zionists, antifas, anticapitalist, have a thing for violence (stylizing “bomber harris” for example), say weird thing like “protecting ur environment is like protecting your ‘home country’ like nazis would” and sometimes think of whoever basically as if they were nazis.
I’m not making this up, lefties go weird ways sometimes.
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Okay on second thought I wanna take back that warriors comment, that was too bitchy. Guess I’m also not uneffected by how toxic the whole discourse on Israel (also in or between lefty communities) is.
Like, everyone seems to feel they’d have to be either “pro israel” or “pro palestine”, wich imo 1. Is freaking dangerous for germans specifically 2. Doesn’t recognize the complexity (in the sense of one can’t just identify the totality of Israel with its right wing government as ome can’t just identify palestine with hamas.) 3. It tends to overlook the perspective of both israelian and palestinian lefties
Are you trolling?
why the hell would tankies and anarchist side with the counter protestors. palestine litterally isnt a state yet(its trying to get accepted in the UN)
For every large group there’s probably only only 2-8 that are genuinely knowledgeable and authentic about the beliefs being fought for. Regardless of sides.
Or not idk… Idk why I’m posting this.
Right-wingers. They just happen to be zionist right-wingers.
Same the world over because violence and fascism are the fundemental basis of right-wing political ideology, whatever local flavor it might be.
Zionists, Democrats, and Republicans.
Boo this man.
They first and foremost identify as violent shit bags and only representative of violent shit bags.
You can boo all you want, but those are the three sides supporting Israel.
Funny how it’s all rightists supporting them.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say “not the left”, and leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
Zionists, probably wouldn’t surprise me if they made common cause with actual neo-nazi groups as well, wouldn’t be the first time.
MAGAs. because american conservatives are often also american evangelists, and they’ve got some weird ideas about israel. those conservatives who don’t necessarily personally believe weird stuff about israel (ie the jews having a homeland means the second coming of jesus and everything will be great for evangelical christians) are being brought along by the right-wing propaganda on this issue.
Alt-Right just likes attacking leftwing protests. No actual political beliefs required. It’s the physical version of owning the libs.
Police Prevent Crime! I mean Police Protect us from Crime! I mean Police Solve Crimes! I mean
Shows you what this is really about
How is it that on this one topic, all rational discourse is completely absent? I mean there’s some topics where one side is completely irrational, sure. But when it comes to Israel-Palestine, everyone on all sides is just completely and often violently nonsensical.
How is it that on this one topic, all rational discourse is completely absent?
It isn’t.
Find me one rational argument about Israel and/or Palestine. Any one, from anywhere, at any time in history.
Genocide is wrong and Hamas is wrong.
This is the argument nearly everyone has been making forever.
A two-state solution is the only way the situation should end, and that should include the removal of Netanyahu and an end to Isreal’s encroachment on Palestinian land. The people of the area have been failed by their governments.
Genocide is wrong and Hamas is wrong.
Ok fine, this is a rational argument, although present company excepted I don’t really find other people arguing both at the same time.
A two-state solution is the only way the situation should end
But this is where the mainstream views lose me and seem to grasp at something that everyone should be able to see is just not gonna work. You have the gaza strip on one side, the west bank on the other, and Israel in between. How can this be two countries? Is there any other country that’s in 2 separate land masses with its adversary in the middle?
As I understand it, Israel would have to cede land to Palestine so that each can have a continuous land mass. That land was taken to from Israel in the first place, so it’s not unreasonable for some of it to be taken back.
But of course Israel the government is not fond of that at all.
Found the Enlightened Centrist!
See that in itself is a perfect example because it’s both a hasty generalization, and an ad hominem.
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I am utterly unconcerned by criticism from someone who wants “both sides” a genocide.
Which thing that someone says is a genocide are you referring to? Because last I checked, “both sides” claim that the other is trying to genocide them.
And frankly, both are again engaging in hasty generalizations. There are people in Palestine who want a genocide in Israel, and people in Israel who want a genocide in Palestine. And many more in both that don’t. But that latter bit is really inconvenient for everyone, isn’t it?
There are people in Palestine who want a genocide in Israel, and people in Israel who want a genocide in Palestine
Only one of those is actually happening
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It is unfortunate that the very small % of people that choose violence tend to only make things worse not better.
Which is exactly why those people are being used by more powerful figures. It’s hard to change the hearts and minds of the people, it’s easy to make them fight themselves.
It is indeed an effective strategy to distract the masses unfortunately. There is a real growth opportunity here for humanity if we are able to see it as clearly the established pattern is not serving society.
