• PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    6 months ago

    Yes it is critical that we allow a senate rule that was invented to keep slavery from being outlawed around. There is no possible way that we could make specific laws that were immune to the filibuster, or simply reinstate the filibuster after passing laws codifying existing SCOTUS rulings. The most important aspect of government is that good things can never override the status quo, only bad things get to do that.

    • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      6 months ago

      The point of the filibuster is that you don’t want the majority to trample the rights of the minority. Imagine what happens when the Senate has a simple majority of Republicans again. And it’s pretty likely, since Manchin is retiring (WV is very, very solidly red; there’s functionally zero chance that Dems will keep that seat), and both Ossof and Warnock will have a serious uphill fight to retain their seats in the coming years; the only reason Warnock won the last time is because Republicans were convinced the election was rigged, and didn’t show up. (So, I guess that’s one thing Trump did right…?)

      Republicans took the House, barely, in '22. If Trump wins this year, then the odds are pretty good that Republicans will retain the House and take the Senate. A filibuster is a check on that, unless the senate majority throws it out, and so far Republicans haven’t been willing to completely gut it. So far. If Dems choose to do that–and they don’t have the votes to do so–they’d be shooting themselves in the foot for when they lose the Senate again. If anything, Dems should be strengthening the filibuster, albeit going back to the old rules where you actually had to stand up and talk the whole time.

      • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        The Dems have never used the filibuster to block Republican legislative initiatives. It’s only been used to stop things like the Civil Rights act, and ensure that massive government handouts are given to well-connected contractors.

        You need to intenalize the purpose of the filibuster, it’s not to stop “the majority to trample the rights of the minority,” or whatever idealic thing you’ve fixated on.

        Here is something to chew on:

        The two most substantial legislative actions of the past 12 years — President Obama’s Affordable Care Act and President Trump’s tax cuts — were achieved only because one party used an exception to the filibuster rules.

        https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/05/politics/filibuster-senate-explained/

          • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            6 months ago

            There are literally no sources there. Give me the senate records that show the dems did it. There should be bills that came up for the passing and the outcome of those bills. I see nothing there. That websites source is “trust me bro.” Also you then cite mediabias fact check to fact check the source that of the filibuster claim.