I’m all about ACAB.
But here’s my understanding of it:
U.S. Marshalls (not local PD) were sent to apprehend a man that had weapons when he shouldn’t have. They had not yet reached his house, because he was in his front yard when they approached.
The man opened fire on them from the front yard, and they shot and killed him. They were fired on by someone in the house.
They called for backup, and retreated while the house occupants barricaded themselves. 3 hours later, unable to resolve the situation, they used armored vehicles and ended the standoff without killing additional people.I guess I don’t think these officers did anything bad in this situation, even though they represent a horrible system.
Did they need to engage in a fight after the man in the yard fired shots? What would have happened if they had brought in a negotiator or something? I don’t know if those are viable options in this situation, but it does sound like they continued aggressively. I can’t tell when the cops were killed.
They probably did need to continue engaging.
I’m unsure who shot which cops, but I’m given to understand the shooter in the building had shot one of the cops. An update to the article since I read it indicates three officers were shot while attempting to extricate/get medical help for the first cohort of wounded/killed.
So like, there’s a crime there, and a violent one. But it’s also a public hazard if someone is firing their guns in the suburbs.
It’s also not reported (as far as I know from the one article I read, linked above) what transpired in the three hours during the standoff. They may have brought in a negotiator.
We don’t know what we don’t know. I’m sure more details will emerge.
“warrant for a felon wanted for possessing a firearm”
Well, it seems that was a valid warrant at least.
Did anyone check to see if they had Drugs in their System? Any history of Abuse? Was it an act of Self Defense? Were the other people Scared? Let’s give these Officers the same Respect they give LITERALLY anyone THEY Kill!
They weren’t shot, they all died of Excited delirium
Did they hear an acorn maybe?
lol empty a clip into Mother Nature
Statistically, at least ~2 of them had a history of abuse
I bet they didn’t announce themselves.
Some of the officers who rushed to the Charlotte neighborhood to rescue the first wave of downed officers were wounded as a second shooter began firing on them after they killed the wanted man,
Given that they would have been arriving in police cars, with lights and sirens, I’m pretty sure the shooter knew.
That literally gave a German gangster a legit excuse for killing a police officer (really, really rare over here that policemen get shot, really rare) when police stormed his house early morning and forgot to call out their profession. He shot one of them as he thought they were from an enemy gangster gang (those gangsters have stressful lives, don’t they).
German court acquitted him due to justifiable self protection.
The article above says the man was in his front yard and began firing on the marshalls as they approached.
I suspect that even if they did not announce their presence, their presence was known to him.
4 people who make around $50,000 per year and probably never see their families, just laid down their lives today while serving a warrant to a criminal. After all of that, the memory of their service now faces an angry mob of Americans who just want to continue calling law enforcement a bunch of murderers.
If your children want to grow up to serve the community as law enforcement officers, just tell them to become CNA’s at retirement homes, instead. They can protect and serve the community, while defending them against the kind of abuse that no one is addressing in America. In their off time, they can work at soup kitchens, where they can protect and serve the homeless. No one is talking about how homeless lives matter, either. Apparently, only criminal lives matter to everyone now.
While I completely agree with your second paragraph and much of it deeply resonates with me, I gotta point out that “laid down their lives” is far too passive to describe what the average cop is doing at a scene like this.
Ignoring all your weird takes, I just wanted to call this out.
No one is talking about how homeless lives matter, either.
Yeah we fucking do. We talk about providing mental health care. We talk about getting food stamps, providing housing, creating a basic income… You know, shit that Republicans continue to push to cut because “it’ll make people lazy!”
I do like that you went to complain about all of this under a post about dead cops though.
My complaint is that people aren’t holding protests over the homeless problem. They will take up arms and protest in public over the police supposedly causing the wrongful death of a perpetrator, but they won’t take to the streets to address an even bigger problem.
If they did, which I’m not certain to say one way or the other, you wouldn’t hear about it. It’s hard to manufacture a culture war out of that. It’s easy when “protesters are attacking our helpless innocent police.”
ACAB
How does that cop boot taste? Does it have a bacon aftertaste?
Honestly, the response from this story has been utterly vile.
I bet if you offered any of these people a job as a police officer, they would stop all of their comments, accept the job, and act like they never said anything against law enforcement.
It’s obvious you’re new around here.
Not really. I had Reddit between 2011 and 2024. Most Lemmy users came over from Reddit.
Anyway, why don’t you apply to work for your local law enforcement office?
Your account is 19 days old. Why would I go work for a systemically corrupt agency? Do you think that one person can change it?
I’m not new here and that has no bearing on your effort to change the status quo, or how you view it.
If you’re not new, then you should not be surprised by the strong hatred for cops on Lemmy.
Becoming a cop isn’t hard… if any of these people wanted to be a cop they could easily become one but they don’t because they aren’t literall fucking monsters.
If you’re intelligent, it’s impossible. They screen for that.
They legally can screen for it. It doesn’t mean they always do. They surely are not screening out people dumb as fuck though.
They surely are not screening out people dumb as fuck though.
I see that you’re never met a cop
Are you saying cops are particularly intelligent people?
Seeing as you seem to have misread what you replied to…
Actually no, being an officer is a horrible job, and even where I live, it’s not very well paid.
Actually check out your state’s or provincial sunshine list. Being an officer pulls in a 6 figure salary when you include the overtime scams they run.
Yeah, if you spend all your waking hours working and have no personal life.
75 dollars an hour to play on your phone parked outside a construction site. Pretty great deal.
Ironically, that’s what I’m doing right now, as I’m on break.
It’s not really a win if the only way to make decent money is to work a huge amount of overtime though, I quite like having a personal life.
“Gee, I’d like to join a corrupt gang of psychopathic, neo-Nazi murders, but I do enjoy my free time…”
So, the only reason you’re not a cop is because you’re lazy?
How on earth did you get that from my comment?
Only of you prefer the taste of boot
You deserve to live in a world without police.
Yeah I absolutely would.
I rather have unarmed security guards protecting neighborhoods.
I rather have trained armed swat teams when there’s a major assault happening.
I rather have professional detectives doing investigations.
I rather have expert specialists do wellness checks.
Right now, those four are under the police force, and they solve everything with a gun. Police as a whole is a giant blob of unmanaged corruption.
What you’re describing is a competent police force.
Impossible with all the corruption
I’d love to live in a world without gangs of armed, bigoted, corrupt psychopaths with extra rights and the ability to murder at will.
Enjoy your shoe-shine flavored toothpaste
Haiti would be right up your alley this time of year then.
Why would you think such a thing? Haiti is the exact opposite of what just described.
You do realise you’d trade one group, who have rules they mostly follow, and consequences they occasionally face, for multiple warring groups that have no rules, right?
lol, did Fox News tell you that?
We have that now, lol
Power abhors a vacuum. History tells us that.
Americans who just want to continue calling law enforcement a bunch of murderers.
We don’t just want to call police murderers, we also want them to stop murdering people.
Yeah, everyone wants to stop calling them murderers. It just happens that they keep on murdering.
Ain’t no US fuckin Marshall taking in only $50k.
