I’m mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don’t need or want any kind of internet-connected features.
This is the correct answer: https://www.bosch-home.com/us/en/mkt-product/dishwashers/top-controls/SHX78CM5N
Bosch dishwasher fucking suck, E24 errors all the goddamn time
Is your drain impeller blocked with food, or is your pump motor dying?
If you can, try for one with a built-in water softener–that is, if your home has hard water. You’ll reload salt, as well as detergent.
Speaking of detergent, Technology Connections reference.
Buy powder detergent. Fill to the appropriate line. Save a crapton of money over time. Yes, I have autism, how could you tell?
I’d recommend Pavel. He has an excellent work ethic.
He’s a real straight-shooter for sure. Has upper kitchen management written all over him.
Miele, Asko, or Bosch in a pinch.
Some low end Bosch have in the past been Frigidaire or something dressed up as a Bosch. Keep an eye out for that.
I replaced my Miele (2001 build date) this year. The control panel was getting a little unreliable. It still was cleaning dishes (when it started).
I really like that my dishwasher has a window so I can peek inside while it’s working. Besides the coolness factor, it’s also useful to see whether any of the rotors are blocked from spinning or something tipped over.
It’s not a deal breaker if you get one without a window, but it’s really nice to have.
I’ve literally never seen of heard of a dishwasher that has this, what model do you have?
It’s fairly common in countertop dishwashers, but come to think of it, I don’t know if it exists for full-size ones. The one I have is this: https://www.midea.com/sg/kitchen-appliances/dishwasher/MDWS-2703
I didn’t know those mini dishwashers existed, really cool.
My whirlpool gold has been quietly washing my dishes every day for the past 10 years without problems
Maybe in the US bosch is considered premium, but in Germany is the standard (BSH group, including bosch, Siemens, neff, etc). Their dishwashers are fine, but hard to say if better than others. But their support is awesome, you still can get replacement parts 20 years down the line, and do the repair yourself because they provide decent manuals and there’s tons of YouTube videos.
I like the IoT features, they’re so silent that it’s nice to get a notification when they are done, or start them when solar/cheap power is available.
I’ve heard good things about Miele, but don’t have any experience first hand.
I love my 6 year old siemens dishwasher. I absolutely hate my tumbledryer from siemens though.
Very interesting arrangement of comments here.
As an appliance repair man for the last 21 years I can tell you that the only dishwasher worth getting is a Bosch. Nothing else even comes close. All thier other appliances are terrible but their dishwashers are simply the absolute best in the industry.
Having said that generally the state of appliances as a whole is pretty bad across the board which also includes Bosch dishwashers. The dishwashers they make today are worse than the ones they made 10, 15, 20 years ago. And people can tell.
But the truth of the matter is they’re still better than the competition. Ask any tech what they’d rather work on… GE dishwasher or a Bosch. It’s not the GE.
Do they have a model that has the macerating filter? The one I have now has a little basket that has to be cleaned constantly
So. Some whirlpool models have a blade inside the pump motor that can help cut down food debris.
The idea is that if one forgets to rinse off the dish before putting it in the dishwasher it’ll help move the debris along in the system.
The issue is course is that dishes need to be rinsed of large and even small elements of food. For every dishwasher. Not just Bosch.
Bottom line, if a manufacturer puts a blade into the pump that doesn’t mean you should stop rinsing your dishes off.
But! Even though whirlpool has this option a whirlpool dishwasher is significantly worse than a Bosch in everyway.
But to answer your question, yes. The very high end models of Bosch dishwashers will have a blade in the pump motor.
I’d look into the 500 or 800 series. They probably have the blade.
Wipe dishes off, don’t rinse them well before putting them in a dishwasher. They will get cleaner if they go in dirty (modern dishwashers keep going until the water is clean), and it saves water because the dishwasher is more efficient than washing them in the sink. Then clean the filter in the dishwasher after you use it.
I’ve got a Bosch (Serie 6) too and I’m happy with it overall.
Just one problem: It doesn’t dry my airfryer pot very well. I only got my first airfryer recently so I’m not sure if all dishwashers struggle with large non-stick coated pots.
Also here in the down under they’ve got a different product line and there are no models that can pop open their doors. IIRC it was Miele that started doing this first so I always suspected if they got into any legal trouble (didn’t do any digging, just a wild guess). Considered Miele, just way too expensive here.
Edit: Ours have touch panels tho, so fewer features are locked behind apps. IIRC in the US Bosch has more traditional control panels so e.g. you can’t adjust timers down to minutes without their app?
On a side note, I recommend not putting anything non-stick in the dishwasher. The combination of high-pressure, high-temperature jets of water, plus the surfactants in the detergent, all work together to break down that non-stick coating faster than you’d believe. You’ll seriously shorten the life—or at least the non-stick functionality—of any non-stick vessel you put in there. Hope that doesn’t sound judgy or anything—you do you—but the pan will stay non-stick longer if you wash it by hand with a non-stick-safe sponge.
Perhaps it’s just marketing talks but dishwasher-safe was literally one of their selling points (Phillips). I hope it holds up to their reputation. The pot is quite tricky to hand wash.
I did lose one or two cheap fry pans to dishwashers. But two or three years ago I got a decent Tefal. It’s ‘dishwasher-safe but hand wash if you can’. I only hand wash if it needs a good scrub though. Still going strong, and that’s good enough for me.
Whatever the local small sales and service guy sells. There are a bunch of good ones - but the local guy will know what they need to service more often and what they can get parts for if you need it.
He sells whoever he is partnered with, my uncle is that guy, he will sell you a shitty Maytag
Gonna make myself unpopular here. No to Bosch. Overpriced and overhyped. You pay a premium and get little in return. I installed my own and rather than just connecting the power to a standard electrical connection, you have to (or you have to pay someone) to wire in a proprietary electrical connection box. The dishwasher has a special cable that connects to their weird receptacle. No idea why, helps nothing, adds labor without benefit. Bosch dishwashers do not use heating coils to dry the dishes. They use the residual heat of the water to dry. My experience is that this is not very effective as well as slow. Some have a means to ventilate themselves (fans, mechanism to open door, etc). This helps, but adds complexity, failure points and is still slow. I gave up after my last (third one) Bosch would not clean nor dry properly after it was about four years old. Took it apart, cleaned crud out of pump and bottom end. Came to conclusion that the pump was no longer able to move water at a sufficient pressure to spray the dishes. Was more of a weak sprinkler effect. No idea why it would not dry. It never dried well from the beginning.
I have since switched to a whirlpool (kitchen aid) with a heating coil. One year in being run 2x a day and no issues so far. Dishes are clean and dry. Bought a simpler model without nonsense like wifi, apps, lights, floor projection or anything else. I run one setting: auto.I do all my own maintenance\re0aurs of all my appliances, cars, electronics, etc. As well as helping out family, friends, and where I work. I’ve dealt with a lot of dishwashers and I agree with you. If you aren’t buying commercial, just get a whirlpool (or one of the rebranded whirlpools like Maytag, KitchenAid, JennAir, and Amana). GE is pretty good as well. I’ve had a GE for the past decade and I bought it used for $25.
For most families, just get a simple one that plums in through the hot water side instead of cold and skips the water heating issue, and has a drying element, and is quiet. Noisy dishwashers are annoying.
The receptacle thing sounds like an attempt at vendor lock in.
Is a great minority take and I appreciate it thank you. Honestly, I’ve been using my parents Bosch for the last 15 months and I have not been impressed. Granted they have no clue about cleaning out the filter, and even though I informed them, they don’t remember such things. And the dishes are often left wet. Also, no one is mentioning what models they have just brands, so it’s kinda hard to make a determination since I have to assume many different models have many different features, and the guy in the YouTube video I just watched said rather than just having a basket filter some of them have an actual macerating filter that can chop stuff up and that sounds pretty appealing, but I have no idea which models have that. So I’m gonna try and figure that one out.
I like the Beko we got a few years ago. They compete well with Bosch.
We got a Beko double oven and microwave 6 months ago, and I’m quite impressed with the quality for the price point.
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Another happy Bosch customer here. Had a Whirlpool that leaked and caused water damage on the floors. Turns out Whirlpool happens to be the most basic level of dishwasher, KitchenAid is their nicer line. Anyway, got a mid-level Bosch and this thing cleans (and dries) waaaaay better than our old one could ever dream of.
